Integrated Programme (IP)
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zeemimi:
Yes, I would like to know why must take IB instead. Anyone?
Is the IB exam easier? :?him4mixer:
Please take note of the following pointers if you are intending to use the DSA route.
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.
Only can go to ACSI or SJI or SOTA? Or means must go to private / international schools?
Another question is, if a student is doing IP Yr1-Yr4 at a JC (thru S1 posting, not DSA) decided to switch to ACS(I) to do their IB at Yr 5-Yr 6, is it possible? -
Goodluck8:
True also -
Just my personal opinion.mommyNg:
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year).
After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC.
That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...
If most of the ip students could transfer to non- ip jc after year 4, then it means that lesser place for o level students, which I personally feel is unfair, as there is so limited place for jae already.
because during RI open house held in January 2015 earlier 1 month ago, during Q & A session, one concerned JAE parent asked RI Principal, \"roughly how many vacancies are available for JAE students (those that had sat for \"O\" level), entering in Y5 (\"A\" level) RI ?
The male lecturer in charge of admission replied that about 20% seats are left available, to join the \"A\" level intake in Y5.
From his answer to many anxious JAE (parents + students) seated inside the auditorium, 20% interpreted means that -
for every 10 seats at Y5 \"A\" level : 8 are already taken up / occupied by the IP students coming in from affliated RGS / RI after their Y4, leaving behind 2 miserable seats for JAE students.
Who are likely to occupy these last 2 seats ?
Probably creme of the crop Top \"O\" level candidates.
Imagine if Moe permit inter Transfer of IP students from one JC to another JC : then become zero seat for JAE students !
Besides, if allow inter Transfer of weak academic students from one JC to another JC : it means that the receiving JC that accept the Transfer is now short of 1 place for the JAE students, who may be cream of the crop O level candidates. Means one JAE seat has been deprived.
If you are the Principal : In the shoes of the Receiving transferred JC, which student would you prefer to take in for \"A\" level, since you have a choice : take the Top \"O\" level student, or take the weak IP student trying to seek Transfer in ? -
Goodluck8:
Just my personal opinion. If most of the ip students could transfer to non- ip jc after year 4, then it means that lesser place for o level students, which I personally feel is unfair, as there is so limited place for jae already.[/quote]Won't that free up places in ip jc then for jae?
I recently heard of a real life case where the dd in an IP school (DSAed through sports) could not make it to its affiliated JC. She had been failing every year since sec 1 (and then pushed up, i.e., passed after re-exam, or something like that), and there was no O level class during her year for her to go to (I think the O level class started the year after her year). After sec 4, since cannot make it to the affiliated JC, tried to appeal to another non-IP JC. That JC principal accepted, but MOE stepped in and say no, the dd cannot go to any other JC to take A-level. I think the dd in the end went to poly...mommyNg:
[quote=\"him4mixer\"]
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her. -
lee_yl:
Yes, I would like to know why must take IB instead. Anyone?
Is the IB exam easier? :?zeemimi:
[quote=\"him4mixer\"]
Please take note of the following pointers if you are intending to use the DSA route.
1. From this year onward, there is an unwritten MOE ruling if a DSA students cannot make it to its affiliated JC, eg. RI to RI(JC) due to poor academic results, that student cannot go to any other non-IP JCs to take A-level. Period. He/she must take IB exam instead or hope very hard the other JCs which have IP programme can accept him/her.
Only can go to ACSI or SJI or SOTA? Or means must go to private / international schools?
Another question is, if a student is doing IP Yr1-Yr4 at a JC (thru S1 posting, not DSA) decided to switch to ACS(I) to do their IB at Yr 5-Yr 6, is it possible?[/quote]There are a handful of Ip students switching to do ib at yr5. But not many. Ib curriculum is very rigorous too. -
phtthp:
The switch at end of year 2 is only applicable to IP sch with an existing O lvl class?
After getting in, IP students have 2 years (Y1 to Y2) to try out the IP programme, see if suitable, or not. If not suitable, they can switch to O level, at end of Y2.
Different IP schools : the IP curriculum, may vary. -
Jennifer:
The switch at end of year 2 is only applicable to IP sch with an existing O lvl class?phtthp:
After getting in, IP students have 2 years (Y1 to Y2) to try out the IP programme, see if suitable, or not. If not suitable, they can switch to O level, at end of Y2.
Different IP schools : the IP curriculum, may vary.
Alternatively, can apply to other MS schools? -
Jennifer:
switch at end of Y2 is also applicable at IP school (single track school) to another outside Secondary school, but student cannot be DSA. It is the DSA contract that bind them, cannot leave Single track IP school.
The switch at end of year 2 is only applicable to IP sch with an existing O lvl class?
But For non DSA student in a single track IP school (those who enter by Meeting Cut off point or appeal cases), they can leave at end of Y2 to another outside Secondary school that is willing to take them in, to prepare for Y3 / Y4 \"O\" level.
Dual track IP students the best -
Easier for them to switch from IP to \"O\" level track, within the same school. Dual track IP schools provide a \"safety\" net. -
Jennifer:
Makes no sense for the second school to adopt the 1st school's 'dropout' and take over the responsibility.
The switch at end of year 2 is only applicable to IP sch with an existing O lvl class?phtthp:
After getting in, IP students have 2 years (Y1 to Y2) to try out the IP programme, see if suitable, or not. If not suitable, they can switch to O level, at end of Y2.
Different IP schools : the IP curriculum, may vary. -
Nebbermind:
If IP student leave at end of Y2 -
Makes no sense for the second school to adopt the 1st school's 'dropout' and take over the responsibility.Jennifer:
The switch at end of year 2 is only applicable to IP sch with an existing O lvl class?
they are not seen as \"drop-out\", because Y3 / Y4 have not even started yet. They still have chance to do next 2 years of Y3 / Y4 \"O\" level, and they may do well in the \"O\" level, since structured step by step curriculum, regular Term Tests / exams are in place to help them study better, some students are more suitable for this type of learning style approach.
So, outside Secondary schools more willing to give IP students this 2nd chance, take them in to prepare for \"O\" level.
In fact, there are students who did well enough at \"O\" level : that some choose to come back to the same JC in Y5 / Y6 for \"A\" level (maybe because they are familiar with this JC & like it a lot), based on their \"O\" level results certificate, this time.
But if IP student leave at end of Y4 -
They are seen as \"drop-out\", if they leave the IP school, without completing the 6 years of IP program.
If they seek transfer from one JC to another & succeed, they deprive one JAE student of a seat, coming in at Y5 \"A\" level, when remaining seats for JAE students already so limited, constraint -
phtthp:
I see, so referring to the earlier case, the girl could not transfer out at Y3 to a O level school despite failing every year because she went to the IP school via DSA...?
switch at end of Y2 is also applicable at IP school (single track school) to another outside Secondary school, but student cannot be DSA. It is the DSA contract that bind them, cannot leave Single track IP school.
But For non DSA student in a single track IP school (those who enter by Meeting Cut off point or appeal cases), they can leave at end of Y2 to another outside Secondary school that is willing to take them in, to prepare for Y3 / Y4 \"O\" level.
Dual track IP students the best -
Easier for them to switch from IP to \"O\" level track, within the same school. Dual track IP schools provide a \"safety\" net.
I also heard that it is possible for students who DSA into an IP school to DSA into another school later, maybe Y2 or Y3? I don't know how true that is, given that the DSA is supposed to bind the child for 4 years in that school..?
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