Integrated Programme (IP)
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VitoRelax:
In an attemot to solve this mystery, I called up MOE hotline. The gist of the conversation is as below:In this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Programme
it says:
A-level Programmes
Pioneered by top schools such as Raffles Institution, Raffles Girls School (Secondary), Hwa Chong Institution (then The Chinese High School) and Nanyang Girls' High School in 2004, the Integrated Programme allows students to skip the \"O\" levels at secondary 4 and go straight into the Junior College (JC). Also, top Junior Colleges such as National Junior College, Victoria Junior College and Temasek Junior College offer it independently.
In the Hwa Chong Affiliate Programme, Hwa Chong Institution (college) also grants entry to students from other schools apart from Nanyang Girls' High School and Hwa Chong Institution (High School) based on their O Level results. Hwa Chong Institution (College) section also offers the Direct School Admission (DSA) in which Secondary Four students can apply for a place in Year 5 of the College section.
National Junior College (NJC) has also put out its own programme, the National Junior College Integrated Programme (NJCIP) where Secondary Two students in various schools are picked to join their programme. These students have their Secondary Three and Four education in the JC itself, followed by the JC course.Victoria Junior College (VJC) and Temasek Junior College (TJC) have also taken a similar approach.
Since 2009, NJC has also accepted students have just graduated from PSLE, making it a 6 year program.
Dunman High School applied for the Integrated Programme system in mid-2004 standalone, and MOE approved the first batch to be enrolled in 2005, with Year 1 and Year 3 students, each having a cap of about 135 out of 380 students. Full IP was granted in late 2005, and the school went full IP with the beginning of the academic year of 2006.
River Valley High School joined the Integrated Programme system in late 2005 by operating a six year course standalone. It is the last to join the ranks of the schools offering Integrated Programme before the Ministry of Education had closed the gates to the special system. This ensures that students who are under the Integrated Programme are able to cope with their A levels after bypassing their O levels. All the schools allowed in the scheme accepts the top 10% of the national cohort.
QUESTION:
Under River Valley High, it says that since 2005, MOE had closed the gates to the IP to ensure that those who get into IP are top are at least top 10% of the cohort.
But why in 2009, NJC can start a 6-year IP program ?
Anyone knows ?
Thanks
Officer: Hello, good morning. Thanks for calling MOE, can I help you ? (very polite girl, I must say)
Me: Yes, good morning to you too. You remember in 2005, MOE say no more new IP programs will be approved, is that correct ?
Officer: Yes, that is correct.
Me: Then, how come in 2009, NJC can introduce a new IP program ?
Officer: Oh, that is bcos that NJC's IP program is different from MOE's IP program and has nothing to do with MOE.
Me: So, you mean that now any school like say Cat High wants to start a new IP program, it has nothing to do with MOE ?
Officer: Yes.
Me: But do they need MOE approval ?
Officer: Yes, they need to get MOE approval.
Me: But you say, it has nothing to do with MOE ?
Officer: Yes, it has nothing to do with MOE.
Me: So if they submit, will MOE approve ?
Officer: If we think it is good, then we will approve.
Me: But you said that after 2005, MOE won't approve any new IP program ?
Officer: Yes, that is correct, their IP program is different from MOE's IP program.
Me: Ok thank you.
Officer: Is there any other question I can help ?
Me: Er.. no, thank you.
Officer: Thanks for calling MOE.
Can someone help me, I am still :? leh !! -
I don’t get it. How is NJC’s IP programme different from MOE’s IP programme?
Maybe you should call again and speak to another officer. -
VitoRelax:
Hahah. Cath High principal said they applied again last year, but was rejected again. I don't know how true, but that's what he said.
Me: So, you mean that now any school like say Cat High wants to start a new IP program, it has nothing to do with MOE ?
Officer: Yes.
Me: But do they need MOE approval ?
Officer: Yes, they need to get MOE approval.
Me: But you say, it has nothing to do with MOE ?
Officer: Yes, it has nothing to do with MOE.
Me: So if they submit, will MOE approve ?
Officer: If we think it is good, then we will approve.
Let's see if SJI gets their approval.
http://www.sji.moe.edu.sg/subpage.php?id=208 -
VitoRelax:
NJC has IP programme, but they extended it to 6 years. So, they are still approved by MOE.
In an attemot to solve this mystery, I called up MOE hotline. The gist of the conversation is as below:VitoRelax:
In this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Programme
it says:
A-level Programmes
Pioneered by top schools such as Raffles Institution, Raffles Girls School (Secondary), Hwa Chong Institution (then The Chinese High School) and Nanyang Girls' High School in 2004, the Integrated Programme allows students to skip the \"O\" levels at secondary 4 and go straight into the Junior College (JC). Also, top Junior Colleges such as National Junior College, Victoria Junior College and Temasek Junior College offer it independently.
In the Hwa Chong Affiliate Programme, Hwa Chong Institution (college) also grants entry to students from other schools apart from Nanyang Girls' High School and Hwa Chong Institution (High School) based on their O Level results. Hwa Chong Institution (College) section also offers the Direct School Admission (DSA) in which Secondary Four students can apply for a place in Year 5 of the College section.
National Junior College (NJC) has also put out its own programme, the National Junior College Integrated Programme (NJCIP) where Secondary Two students in various schools are picked to join their programme. These students have their Secondary Three and Four education in the JC itself, followed by the JC course.Victoria Junior College (VJC) and Temasek Junior College (TJC) have also taken a similar approach.
Since 2009, NJC has also accepted students have just graduated from PSLE, making it a 6 year program.
Dunman High School applied for the Integrated Programme system in mid-2004 standalone, and MOE approved the first batch to be enrolled in 2005, with Year 1 and Year 3 students, each having a cap of about 135 out of 380 students. Full IP was granted in late 2005, and the school went full IP with the beginning of the academic year of 2006.
River Valley High School joined the Integrated Programme system in late 2005 by operating a six year course standalone. It is the last to join the ranks of the schools offering Integrated Programme before the Ministry of Education had closed the gates to the special system. This ensures that students who are under the Integrated Programme are able to cope with their A levels after bypassing their O levels. All the schools allowed in the scheme accepts the top 10% of the national cohort.
QUESTION:
Under River Valley High, it says that since 2005, MOE had closed the gates to the IP to ensure that those who get into IP are top are at least top 10% of the cohort.
But why in 2009, NJC can start a 6-year IP program ?
Anyone knows ?
Thanks
Officer: Hello, good morning. Thanks for calling MOE, can I help you ? (very polite girl, I must say)
Me: Yes, good morning to you too. You remember in 2005, MOE say no more new IP programs will be approved, is that correct ?
Officer: Yes, that is correct.
Me: Then, how come in 2009, NJC can introduce a new IP program ?
Officer: Oh, that is bcos that NJC's IP program is different from MOE's IP program and has nothing to do with MOE.
Me: So, you mean that now any school like say Cat High wants to start a new IP program, it has nothing to do with MOE ?
Officer: Yes.
Me: But do they need MOE approval ?
Officer: Yes, they need to get MOE approval.
Me: But you say, it has nothing to do with MOE ?
Officer: Yes, it has nothing to do with MOE.
Me: So if they submit, will MOE approve ?
Officer: If we think it is good, then we will approve.
Me: But you said that after 2005, MOE won't approve any new IP program ?
Officer: Yes, that is correct, their IP program is different from MOE's IP program.
Me: Ok thank you.
Officer: Is there any other question I can help ?
Me: Er.. no, thank you.
Officer: Thanks for calling MOE.
Can someone help me, I am still :? leh !! -
VitoRelax:
What is MSG ?autolycus:
Well, one thing to bear in mind is the curve. When RI and so on were in the rankings lists, the difference could be a significant one in terms of MSG and so on.
Mean subject grade.
But RI counts GPA. -
traineeks:
I have friends that got into I spark that are not in GEP and has aggregate as low as only 262+3.
In HCI, the SBGE program is hosted and housed under the iSpark consortium. ISpark is only open to GEP students and a few top APMOPS platinum from mainsteam.xxjustakidxx:
Not true, like for HCI, the SBGE is not only meant for GEP pupils, if pupils achieve a average score of 1.5, they can qualify for it. Furthermore, DHS' scores are higher, much higher.
And the raffles academy too.
The selection are all done at the end of sec 2.
Here is a link on SGBE from HCI website:
http://www.hwachong.edu.sg/ContentPage.asp?TID=55
Here is a link on iSpark:
http://www.hci.sg/ispark/2009/
I think what you are refering to is CSE (Centre of Scholastic Excellence). CSE is focused on a particular academic area and application is open to all students in upper secondary with the acceptable scores. SBGE on the other hand also touches on non academic areas like leadership.
CSE may overlap with SBGE but it is not SBGE by itself.
Here is a link on CSE in HCI:
http://cse.hci.edu.sg/
They are not some winners too. -
xxjustakidxx:
It is a well known fact that the majority of iSpark are GEP students with a few mainstreamers.xxjustakidxx:
I have friends that got into I spark that are not in GEP and has aggregate as low as only 262+3.
They are not some winners too. -
Chanced on this link about IP vs O levels. It's interesting perspective as I had an impression that IP students should do better in A levels (vs those fr O levels). Seems it may not be true.
http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:-gu5IKa7GNsJ:forum.channelnewsasia.com/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D3193777%26sid%3Df7a29fb9559dfd239ca90ecd41b3a9a6+o+levels+vs+ip&cd=33&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=sg -
xxjustakidxx:
What is MSG ?VitoRelax:
[quote=\"autolycus\"]Well, one thing to bear in mind is the curve. When RI and so on were in the rankings lists, the difference could be a significant one in terms of MSG and so on.
Mean subject grade.[/quote]Thanks, for a moment, I wonder what has Ajinamoto gotta do with it
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westmom:
I guess there is no perfect system.Chanced on this link about IP vs O levels. It's interesting perspective as I had an impression that IP students should do better in A levels (vs those fr O levels). Seems it may not be true.
http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:-gu5IKa7GNsJ:forum.channelnewsasia.com/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D3193777%26sid%3Df7a29fb9559dfd239ca90ecd41b3a9a6+o+levels+vs+ip&cd=33&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=sg
For example, is the GEP program bring out the best in the students ? Well, the answer is both YES & NO. For some, it really brings out the best for for some it didn't.
I have seen some students who went to gifted program becoming a better student but some could have been better staying in the main stream.
So, I guess it is likewise for IP.
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