DSA 2012
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Whylikethat888:
Thank you for all the comments, particularly to Snow Crystal.
With this affiliation, girls from NYPS already has 12 point advantage over girls from other schools. This is already a huge advantage. It really takes a lot a lot more effort to get just one more point when near the top, let alone 12 points. Law of diminishing return. So, I think parents with DDs in NYPS, should already be contented to have this advantage. This is a meritocracy system. By giving this 12 points advantage, in my opinion, it creates imbalance in the system. Girls who really enter NYGH with 250 may end up suffering because of inability to compete. So, parents should really think hard if this is what they want their DDs to go through. My humble opinion. Pls don't throw fire at me.KS4Son:
[quote=\"Kiasucy\"]
Every year many parents try to get their gal to NYPS or transfer to NYPS from another primary school because of this affiliation scheme.
No one is saying that the NYPS girls do not appreciate the lower COP but the fact remains - WHY does everyone try to DSA in the first place...this includes the GEPers ? It is for a peace of mind. Also, many other good and reputable schools such as SCGS and MGS have even much lower COPs for their sister primary schools. A 20-25point difference in COP explains why their affiliated primary students accept that DSA should be kept for kids from other schools because a huge number will and do get in. I am not advocating this for NYGH, dont get me wrong. Do these schools have less able and less outstanding students in the long run? Aside from branding and elitism, I think many people would say that both schools are great schools with history, traditions and strong sense of belonging.
My point was never about the COP. It was about DSA.
Perhaps, it would help if you put yourself in these NYPS Tweens' position.
The kids nowadays are very smart and much more matured than kids born 20 years ago. They know exactly who from the 2011 cohort went to what school, why & many individuals' PSLE scores. They ask why so and so, no matter how outstanding/ talented at NYPS was rejected by NYGH. They know that quite a few who were rejected by NYGH during the DSA phase ( some via CCa and some via academics) subsequently performed very well at PSLE but because they were hurt and disappointed, they automatically moved to RGS/ NUSH to prove their point. The feeling that they are disadvantaged at DSA, ironically, encourages them to try DSA into other schools in the first place. It's a double whammy.
Some may say they are childish but if it were you, the adult, the response may not have been so different. They are after all human. They have feelings and they know when they are being taken for granted especially when they are constantly reminded to be so grateful for the lower COP.Everyone knows that anything can happen on exam day and marks can be volatile even for the top 10-20% of the cohort.
They KNOW that they are disadvantaged when it's comes to direct admission into their own sister school, NYGH. They talk about it all the time ! They also know that rival schools such as RGS would be quite happy to take them if it could. The psychological impact of feeling disadvantaged at DSA by their sister school is under estimated. Perhaps, the answer is balance. The need to balance what is good for NYGH in terms of medals and what is good for the overall Nanyang spirit.[/quote]I believe there were many non-NYPS students who did not get CO from NYGH but at the end scored very well for PSLE. So, how could you conculde that the NYPS students were disadvantaged for DSA by their sister school just because you knew a few similar cases? There could be many possible reasons for not getting a CO e.g. not doing well for the DSA tests, interview etc. The students who scored very well in both the school exams and PSLE may not be the top students for the domain they applied for. Bear in mind that the school may take in only very few students for each domain, maybe just 1 or 2 for certain domains. -
Otah:
jtoh is right. There is absolutely no affiliation. There is absolutely no special advantage in sharing the same name, unlike affiliated schools. Why did you say there is some non-verbal priority? Can you share where you get that kind of information from?
Why leh? How about GEP RGPS girls ? Some kind of non-verbal priority given in the past rite? :siam:jtoh:
RGS does not have any affiliated primary school. A lot of people mistakenly assume that RGPS is affiliated to RGS. It is not. -
little kiasu:
peterch:
[quote=\"Love iPad\"]Which sport is it? Tot kids need to be short listed before allow to go for trial.
Basketball. That's the way they did for years and I think they are the only one who do that
I think ... they are not only one... other sport also same concept.... different school has diff way of selection method.... some time coach already familier with kids by seeing them in other competation/friendly match performance, etc... :evil: ...[/quote]If I saw what happened last Saturday, the concept backfired at the coach at last :evil: as the other school is 'more appealing' :censored: -
[I believe there were many non-NYPS students who did not get CO from NYGH but at the end scored very well for PSLE. So, how could you conculde that the NYPS students were disadvantaged for DSA by their sister school just because you knew a few similar cases? There could be many possible reasons for not getting a CO e.g. not doing well for the DSA tests, interview etc. The students who scored very well in both the school exams and PSLE may not be the top students for the domain they applied for. Bear in mind that the school may take in only very few students for each domain, maybe just 1 or 2 for certain domains.[/quote]
Greetings! Perhaps we all view the same topic differently because everyone comes from a different angle but if you can bear with me, please let me clarify something.
First of all, about 45% of all NYPS 2011 cohort DSA-ed into schools of their choice. Assuming that indeed NYGH prefered to take NYPS girls via PSLE COP instead of DSA route, many of the best students were grabbed up by other schools via the DSA route. Imagine if you were a 11-12 year old tween, would you not prefer to take a RGS/NUSH/MGS etc DSA if they offered you as compared to waiting to see if you can achieve the COP. Almost all GEPs and HA students DSA, not because they cant achieve the COP but because if the school offering DSA is also reputable,why not?
The other thing is an issue that non Nanyang alumnis may not understand. I am an old girl from NYGH. Many alumni worry that if we lose our girls even before the DSA process has started, it is a waste. Nanyang girls are not only known for academic prowess and bilingual skills but more critically, they are proud to be from this family. This sense of pride comes from going through the formative years of 7- 16. In fact, secondary school years are even more influential. The Nanyang experience has been enhanced by the immense practical and emotional support from the alumni.
In general, a good balanced child who has been inculcated with Nanyang (some would say "chinese" ) values & memories & then is embraced by NYGH will naturally be more inclined to contribute/help her school as an adult. It is only human to respond that way. A strong and dedicated alumni will enhance the experience of a Nanyang (traditional chinese) education for future generations of children from all walks of life. This whole issue is not merely about a group of children. -
Otah:
Why leh? How about GEP RGPS girls ? Some kind of non-verbal priority given in the past rite? :siam:[/quote]Never.
RGS does not have any affiliated primary school. A lot of people mistakenly assume that RGPS is affiliated to RGS. It is not.jtoh:
[quote=\"Otah\"]
RGS has not have such affiliation scheme for their old girls even their DSA are given to those achieve good results for GEP or sport talented students and the rest enter via PSLE merit. To ensure the high ability students they accept are the top top ones, may be NYGH also going along this line. Not to forget the final competition at the two end schools is a always 'A' level results mah. -
Basketball. That's the way they did for years and I think they are the only one who do that
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I think ... they are not only one... other sport also same concept.... different school has diff way of selection method.... some time coach already familier with kids by seeing them in other competation/friendly match performance, etc... :evil: ...[/quote]
If I saw what happened last Saturday, the concept backfired at the coach at last :evil: as the other school is 'more appealing' :censored:[/quote]
I checked with a few school and they said DSA via sport only take in 2 or 3 kids per sport per year only. So may be they short list 10kids and later only take in 2-3 kids
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little kiasu:
Basketball. That's the way they did for years and I think they are the only one who do that
I think ... they are not only one... other sport also same concept.... different school has diff way of selection method.... some time coach already familier with kids by seeing them in other competation/friendly match performance, etc... :evil: ...[/quote]
If I saw what happened last Saturday, the concept backfired at the coach at last :evil: as the other school is 'more appealing' :censored:[/quote]
I checked with a few school and they said DSA via sport only take in 2 or 3 kids per sport per year only. So may be they short list 10kids and later only take in 2-3 kids[/quote]
I don't know about other school, but one of the school that my DS went for trial, they have a record of accepting 12 candidate thru basketball alone
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If I saw what happened last Saturday, the concept backfired at the coach at last :evil: as the other school is 'more appealing' :censored:[/quote]
I checked with a few school and they said DSA via sport only take in 2 or 3 kids per sport per year only. So may be they short list 10kids and later only take in 2-3 kids[/quote]
I don't know about other school, but one of the school that my DS went for trial, they have a record of accepting 12 candidate thru basketball alone :)[/quote]
Thanks for info, it's new info for me -
peterch:
So many! So there's no chance of the other boys in the school making the school team if they didn't DSA in.
I don't know about other school, but one of the school that my DS went for trial, they have a record of accepting 12 candidate thru basketball alone -
jtoh:
Yeah, the other boys/girls may be able join the CCA but may not be able to represent school. But come to this point, I think the most qualified ones would be the ones who represent school in competition.
So many! So there's no chance of the other boys in the school making the school team if they didn't DSA in.peterch:
I don't know about other school, but one of the school that my DS went for trial, they have a record of accepting 12 candidate thru basketball alone
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