Post GE 2011 Discussion
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3Boys:
Eh?.. I agree with you totally but that go against the grain of what PAP is saying....you pay me big packages and attract me to the job for those talent they want. And the last line...\"The big paying jobs are there, if you have the inclination and drive, step up, and you will be rewarded\" depends if you have a fair boss. I have seen people who are smart, worked hard but in the end got taken advantage of as well. Management theories can be sound but there are still dysfunctional people out there who made things bad for good people out of envy and fear of being threaten at a job they cannot do as well. :lol: ironies of life.
Actually, with the way the SG dollar is these days, that is not necessarily true anymore. If the philosophy of a worker is, 'pay me first, then I step up', then it is not the type of worker I prefer to employ, Singaporean or not. The big paying jobs are there, if you have the inclination and drive, step up, and you will be rewarded.ksi:
No leh...for FT, they cost many mega times more than local talent leh so local talent is cheaper in this case.... If they pay the same kind of mega bucks to our local talent, then more will take up the challenge? -
BlueBells:
AceTutors123:
.....i've come across so many fresh graduates who cannot find any jobs and resort to being full time tutors....
This is so true, and I think in part, these graduates have been having too good a life, so much so that they think of themselves very highly, and therefore have become very picky.
We have undergrad and interns who came to work for about a week, and when the slightest frustations crop up, said, \"what's the big deal???? I don't need this job to survive,\" and then tendered and left.
They have no experience to boast of, yet want the best pay and the easier job.
Correct. Young people now a days not resilience and perseverance.
They are unable to take hardships and criticisms from people, too arrogant and boastful sometimes too. -
AceTutors123:
BlueBells:
[quote=\"AceTutors123\"].....i've come across so many fresh graduates who cannot find any jobs and resort to being full time tutors....
This is so true, and I think in part, these graduates have been having too good a life, so much so that they think of themselves very highly, and therefore have become very picky.
We have undergrad and interns who came to work for about a week, and when the slightest frustations crop up, said, \"what's the big deal???? I don't need this job to survive,\" and then tendered and left.
They have no experience to boast of, yet want the best pay and the easier job.
Correct. Young people now a days not resilience and perseverance.
They are unable to take hardships and criticisms from people, too arrogant and boastful sometimes too.[/quote]In that case the biggest failure is our education system... We are not producing the right calibre people to meet the demands of the real world, isn't it? And yet these poor kids do suffer severe stress in the education. Something is so wrong....suffer without results. -
I feel i need to speak up for the healthcare industry. I am for sure not an employer but i can totally understand the need for FT. I have shared many a times in this forum, healthcare is a 24/7 job but no one wants to do it.
I have shared which parents wish their children to be nurses? Honestly, it is such a rewarding and respected career. However, what as care givers do we expect nurses to do? Cleaning up poo and urine of bed ridden patients, vomit and blood, settle family disputes, grief counselling, handle emergencies and lots and lots more. All these take place at all times even in the middle of the night. Nurses work in shifts. But doctors dun (except A&E). Doctors on-call work a full day and stay in hospital till the next day until they go off at noon. Many a times, due to shortage of manpower, doctors only get to go off call at 4pm, that is working more than 36 hours at a stretch.
That is for hospital. Let’s look at polyclinics, typically one doctor sees 90 - 100 patients a day. If you work out the sums, a dr can only spend a max of 5 minutes per patient in order to leave work on time. This does not include times he need to perform procedures and attend to emergencies. Mr Khaw commented that the bulk of healthcare cost goes to manpower and in order to maximised such costing is to squeeze in more patients. Honestly, it is a tough job that not many would like to take up. In the end, most singaporeans go into private practice. And we therefore need FT to fill up these vacancies. -
[quote]In that case the biggest failure is our education system... We are not producing the right calibre people to meet the demands of the real world, isn't it? And yet these poor kids do suffer severe stress in the education. Something is so wrong....suffer without results.[/quote]
Blame ourselves. Because we parents have precious few kids, we pave the way for them from the day they were born. They never had to struggle much for anything. Exam stress, yes, but to really work for something they want or need. Very few need to do that. -
hmmmm…another thing that I hope the gvt will take on is to make pre-school education compulsory, from N2 to K2.
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ksi:
No...It is the parenting style that have given rise to these young adults, not the education system. Children are like bonsai, we need to mould and shape them when the branches are still fresh and tender. Try moulding an adult bonsai and the result is broken branches.
In that case the biggest failure is our education system... We are not producing the right calibre people to meet the demands of the real world, isn't it? And yet these poor kids do suffer severe stress in the education. Something is so wrong....suffer without results. -
ksi:
I draw a difference between FT and FW. I think you are referring to FW. FT is to solve the lack of talent issue and FW is to solve the lack of cheap labour issue. We need to be clear which is which. From my earlier questioning, Busymom replied she saw FW as the issue Singaporeans are griping about, now I read from insider's post, she thinks FT is what Singaporeans are griping about. So maybe both are issues.pixiedust:
[quote=\"ksi\"] ... Only those employers who are getting the benefit for hiring fw should not be griping and making so much noise. Those who are ranting about fw creating competition must be mainly employees who are struggling to make ends meet with high cost living and yet face competition from the cheaper labour..
Agree. However, the noise is drowning the other side of the story.
Hence it is good to hear of real incidents as shared by Funz. I think in cyberworld, this is the 1st time I actually read about anyone speaking up for the FT issue. The noteable fact is also in Funz's quote, the Singapore restaurant manager's job was also lost. This is the side impact explained by our government and many do not believe or hear.
There are many voters not directly impacted by either camp so we need a balanced view to make a decision.
Funz' remarks are pointing mainly to FW. issues. With regards to FW issues, the reality is employers will favour the influx of FW due to better profit margin whereas the employees will not as it poses stiff competition. For me, I think Singaporeans other than ranting and griping about the competition, perhaps should also look to increase their value to the employer in order to gain the $500 premium starting pay against the FW. If just using the pink IC to fight the case of extra $500, both the government and the employers will not bite. We have been brought up in a meritocracy environment, citizens will not get perks directly in work competition but perhaps in other ways like in education, healthcare etc... Yes it is tough but this is the landscape in Singapore as an economic hub where everyone is pursuing results and profits. Having said this, there might be isolated cases where some people have experienced unfair treatment in education and healthcare...hence the pain of competition kicks in higher. On the whole, I find the problem definition is not very clear or supported by enough well-studied facts. All I know is when there is alot of noise coming from a group of people about FW, it pays to listen first, that is what the leadership has to do.
As for the FT issue, it's ironic to me that we have a widely-touted world-class education but we never produce enough talent and we are not talking about very specialised talent like building earthquake-proof architects or travel-to-the-moon astronauts etc.. we are talking about management staff, supposedly generalists. Most FTs mgt I know just so-called speak better and influence better but the locals mgt just work better.....thanks to our education? :laugh: [/quote]oh........on this topic of FT and FW again ??
thot it has already been discussed on the polling thread b4??...
ksi, i shared the same view as u that the FT and FW are 2 diff cat. and they cannot be summed up as a whole to be discussed as 1.
the categry which some of u have brought out refers mainly the FW,
and yes, they are lacking in Singapore esp in Construction, healthcare, chidcare teachers, retail, FNB.......
but in FT (i am not talking abt those exceptionally specialised jobs) where talents may be lacking in Singapore.
juz to quote a very simple example........
few yrs ago, my nepfew who had graduated,
having a honour degree in electrical and electronics engg,
had encountered difficulty in finding of a relevant job, even in govt sectors.
during job interviews, there was no absence of these FT, and mind u, not juz a few of them.
apart fr job interviews, sholarships applications also faced stiff competition fr these FT.
i understand fr Insider that she needs to submit advertisments to prove to the ministry that
she had tried her best to recruit local childcare teachers but to no avail. b4 granted the permit to employ foreigners.....
may i ask, as or FT,
is there any measures in other sectors whereby one needs to prove that
employers had tried their very best to recruit local talents but fail before they can employ FT ??
dun seems right somehwere......as to sacrifice the local Singaporeans
after all these stressful yrs of so -called 1 t class education that they had undergone. -
Funz:
In that case the biggest failure is our education system... We are not producing the right calibre people to meet the demands of the real world, isn't it? And yet these poor kids do suffer severe stress in the education. Something is so wrong....suffer without results.[/quote]Blame ourselves. Because we parents have precious few kids, we pave the way for them from the day they were born. They never had to struggle much for anything. Exam stress, yes, but to really work for something they want or need. Very few need to do that.[/quote]ksi:
[quote=\"AceTutors123\"]This is so true, and I think in part, these graduates have been having too good a life, so much so that they think of themselves very highly, and therefore have become very picky.
We have undergrad and interns who came to work for about a week, and when the slightest frustations crop up, said, \"what's the big deal???? I don't need this job to survive,\" and then tendered and left.
They have no experience to boast of, yet want the best pay and the easier job.
Correct. Young people now a days not resilience and perseverance.
They are unable to take hardships and criticisms from people, too arrogant and boastful sometimes too.
When I first read the above, I was thinking at something different. I thought the education system we have have not churned out creative people with initiatives. But Singapore has already or is slowly shifting towards a knowledge-base economy where high value added jobs require more creativity and initiative from the employer. Maybe, this is the problem? -
verykiasu2010:
it affords you a new perspective of house robbery[/quote]haha, oh yes, this problem cannot be solved even if i had installed an extensive alarm system in the hse.
:yikes: :roll: so quick-handed, must be very experience workers.Augmum:
[quote=\"LOLMum\"]
went back a short time later and wow, window grills, pipes, kitchen sink, toilet bowls, towel bars, telephone lines/cables even bedrooms doors and frames all went missing. :scared:
btw, are u talking abt the hse's tenants in JB ?? :lol:
lolmum, i still din really get u,
are u referring to JB house, with malaysian tenants (since we were taking abt houses in JB)
or in Singapore with malaysian tenants ??
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