2012 PSLE Discussions and Strategy
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Big fish:
I agree, I also think parents/ students should be more sensitive when posting comments, not everyone complete the paper super fast, or think it is super easy, it can be discouraging for those who did not do well. If your child did very well, the more reason to be humble. No offence. :salute:[/quote]ruohoo97:
[quote=\"NewKSmum\"]I feel that parents should now start encouraging the children to work hard for the rest of the papers rather than falling back to 'past' topic and seems kind of discouraging to some weaker children after finding that their answers were not correct after PSLE. And parents at times gave wrong info, I think this forum should be opened to 'kiasu kids' to discuss school issues here personally and not thru parents ... I suppose.
Super agree. I skipped most of pages on discussions on Maths paper. Don't want to talk to dd abt it too. Now three more to go , å²ć
Thanks Big fish and ruohoo97 for your agreement and support on my statement. I suggest kiasu parents should use this forum sensibly and consider other parents' feelings as well when discussion is done online like this. When my son was back from the PSLE exam, he will tell you not to ask any exam questions as he just released his stress after each paper and why want him to recall the question again ... he suggests why not just let him go on and start afresh on revision for other forthcoming subjects. I agree with what he says and whatever was done cannot be undone.
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Eng pp2 was ok (PHEWW!)
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singergirl:
Eng pp2 was ok (PHEWW!)
For vocab, is the decipher or determine correct -
Chenonceau:
That is a very interesting point of view. I have always thought, if a paper is easy, T score will actually be lower, comparing to that of tough papers. Now you brought the spread of bell curve. how did you know the Maths curve is widest while Chinese curve is narrowest? Is there some publications by MOE? or KSPs? Thanks a lot.The discrepancy in impressions is not surprising. Historically, PSLE Math has the widest spread in marks. There are very low marks and very high marks (i.e., the difference between the lowest mark and highest mark is large). In contrast, the language papers have the narrowest spread of marks (i.e., the difference between highest mark and lowest mark is smaller).
If you imagine all the PSLE scores plotted on a graph... there will be 4 bell curves looking like the following... See here for a picture of the bell curve - http://www.robertniles.com/stats/stdev.shtml
(1) Math - wide bell bottom
(2) Science - less wide bell bottom
(3) English - even less wide bell bottom
(4) Chinese - narrowest bell bottom
In order for EACH subject to have equal weightage, statistical operations have to equalize the spread across subjects. This means that they will have to have the same size bell bottom for all the subjects.
Now, if your bell bottom was narrow... you would have to pull it wider to fit the spread of the t-score curve. If your bell bottom were wider... you would have to compress the spread to fit the spread of the t-score curve. The t-score curves for each subject have EXACTLY the same spread.
This means that every 1 mark increase/decrease in raw score for Chinese (narrow curve that is pulled wider) gives you a higher increase/decrease in t-score than every extra mark in Math (that is compressed narrower) raw score.
A friend of mine works in After School Care... and there are some kids who could not finish HALF the paper. Yet, there are kids from Tao Nan, who complete with time to spare. This just follows the same pattern as every year's PSLE, there will be a wide spread in marks. -
Chenonceau:
Great break!. But my dd took her break even before the paper started. She went for cycling night before English paper and made me to play table-tennis with her night before Maths paper in the midst of thundering and lightening ... Now, I \"force\" her to study Chinese, after reading your post. :evil:I thought it is nice that every year they break the PSLE into 2 parts. 2 papers before weekend and 2 after the weekend. Gives the kids time to rest. We watched The Dictator last night... OMgosh soooooooooo VULGAR!! I had to send DS out of the room twice.
But a good break from exam tension.
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ruohoo97:
In red above. Does it mean that one mark in chinese is worth more than one mark in other subjects?
That is a very interesting point of view. I have always thought, if a paper is easy, T score will actually be lower, comparing to that of tough papers. Now you brought the spread of bell curve. how did you know the Maths curve is widest while Chinese curve is narrowest? Is there some publications by MOE? or KSPs? Thanks a lot.Chenonceau:
The discrepancy in impressions is not surprising. Historically, PSLE Math has the widest spread in marks. There are very low marks and very high marks (i.e., the difference between the lowest mark and highest mark is large). In contrast, the language dpapers have the narrowest spread of marks (i.e., the difference between highest mark and lowest mark is smaller).
If you imagine all the PSLE scores plotted on a graph... there will be 4 bell curves looking like the following... See here for a picture of the bell curve - http://www.robertniles.com/stats/stdev.shtml
(1) Math - wide bell bottom
(2) Science - less wide bell bottom
(3) English - even less wide bell bottom
(4) Chinese - narrowest bell bottom
In order for EACH subject to have equal weightage, statistical operations have to equalize the spread across subjects. This means that they will have to have the same size bell bottom for all the subjects.
Now, if your bell bottom was narrow... you would have to pull it wider to fit the spread of the t-score curve. If your bell bottom were wider... you would have to compress the spread to fit the spread of the t-score curve. The t-score curves for each subject have EXACTLY the same spread.
This means that every 1 mark increase/decrease in raw score for Chinese (narrow curve that is pulled wider) gives you a higher increase/decrease in t-score than every extra mark in Math (that is compressed narrower) raw score.
A friend of mine works in After School Care... and there are some kids who could not finish HALF the paper. Yet, there are kids from Tao Nan, who complete with time to spare. This just follows the same pattern as every year's PSLE, there will be a wide spread in marks. -
worldangel:
I think it is OK to finish faster or took longer time to complete. Don't have to be so sensitive. Nobody says the fastest one will get the highest score. As long as they can finish their papers on time. I don't think any parent or kid is trying to prove themselves superior or others inferior. Maybe they are just excited about it.
Why would it be? :scratchhead: If they finish fast and know that their answers are correct, then good for them. There is no need for them to feel affected by my post.Nebbermind:
I thought this is such a wet blanket for those who managed to finish early and savouring the moment of feeling accomplished. :roll:
If you think that my post would affect those who finished fast, then have you thought about how their posts on comparing who finished faster would have affected those who actually couldn't finish the paper or took longer time to finish? Is finishing faster and talking about it supposed to make them feel superior as compared to those who took longer?
I don't think I am being a wet blanket here; I am merely cautioning the children to be more careful in their work and to spend time reading the questions carefully. Anyway, there is no award for who finishes the fastest in every exam -
Well, two written papers were over and two/three more to go.
Perhaps it is time for all DCs to take stock of how they have fared so far, any careless mistakes or blunders they have made and resolving to avoid such mistakes in the next coming papers.
If you have done well, then complacency is something that you want to avoid. Pride goes before a fall. Some people here shared that they found certain papers were super easy for them and that they could finish them in very short time frame etc......these are not constructive comments. If you are good, then keep it to yourself, you need not show the whole world how capable and good you are. True geniuses have very low profiles.
I believe in performing well consistently in all four subjects. You may ace 1 paper but crack in other papers. Consistency is the key. Channel your time and energy to revise your other subjects and continue to do your best is a wiser option than comparing answers that you cannot do anything about. at this point of time, it is the only sensible thing to do.
A good athlete plans his next lap and not look back on his previous laps. -
fifiyeo:
There is one question on the height of water in the end. What's the answer DS asking??
I got a weird mixed number.
13 something over something -
ruohoo97:
Google the formula for t-score? You will find that it involves the standard deviation. Standard deviation is a measure of spread. Does this help?
That is a very interesting point of view. I have always thought, if a paper is easy, T score will actually be lower, comparing to that of tough papers. Now you brought the spread of bell curve. how did you know the Maths curve is widest while Chinese curve is narrowest? Is there some publications by MOE? or KSPs? Thanks a lot.Chenonceau:
The discrepancy in impressions is not surprising. Historically, PSLE Math has the widest spread in marks. There are very low marks and very high marks (i.e., the difference between the lowest mark and highest mark is large). In contrast, the language papers have the narrowest spread of marks (i.e., the difference between highest mark and lowest mark is smaller).
If you imagine all the PSLE scores plotted on a graph... there will be 4 bell curves looking like the following... See here for a picture of the bell curve - http://www.robertniles.com/stats/stdev.shtml
(1) Math - wide bell bottom
(2) Science - less wide bell bottom
(3) English - even less wide bell bottom
(4) Chinese - narrowest bell bottom
In order for EACH subject to have equal weightage, statistical operations have to equalize the spread across subjects. This means that they will have to have the same size bell bottom for all the subjects.
Now, if your bell bottom was narrow... you would have to pull it wider to fit the spread of the t-score curve. If your bell bottom were wider... you would have to compress the spread to fit the spread of the t-score curve. The t-score curves for each subject have EXACTLY the same spread.
This means that every 1 mark increase/decrease in raw score for Chinese (narrow curve that is pulled wider) gives you a higher increase/decrease in t-score than every extra mark in Math (that is compressed narrower) raw score.
A friend of mine works in After School Care... and there are some kids who could not finish HALF the paper. Yet, there are kids from Tao Nan, who complete with time to spare. This just follows the same pattern as every year's PSLE, there will be a wide spread in marks.
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