Foreign Workers

[tankee]

another OT, right after the previous.


seems like no one want to discuss about the actual topic anymore

[1amber]

Sian liao

[dorisp]

limlim:

Japanese, American, German, Swiss and Singapore firms are employing PRCs, Pinoys, Indians, Thais.. And for PMETs positions.. that is what many locals are not happy about.

Should we wonder why and work to improve the situation rather than being unhappy........

[limlim]

dorisp:

limlim:

Japanese, American, German, Swiss and Singapore firms are employing PRCs, Pinoys, Indians, Thais.. And for PMETs positions.. that is what many locals are not happy about.

Should we wonder why and work to improve the situation rather than being unhappy........

If foreigners are talented that's why they're preferred, then locals should reflect and improve the situation..

But if they are less capable but preferred solely bcoz they are cheaper (Which, is commonly the case now).. then, those affected can only be unhappy and not able to do anything about it..

[verykiasu2010]

limlim:

dorisp:

[quote=\"limlim\"]

Japanese, American, German, Swiss and Singapore firms are employing PRCs, Pinoys, Indians, Thais.. And for PMETs positions.. that is what many locals are not happy about.

Should we wonder why and work to improve the situation rather than being unhappy........

If foreigners are talented that's why they're preferred, then locals should reflect and improve the situation..

But if they are less capable but preferred solely bcoz they are cheaper (Which, is commonly the case now).. then, those affected can only be unhappy and not able to do anything about it..[/quote]how about jobs / work that singaporeans shun ?

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

how about jobs / work that singaporeans shun ?

That is different story..

These FW have been around for so long and there is no complains.. it was the recent mass influx of FTs for PMET jobs that causes the dislike towards FTs.. mainly the EP and S-Pass holders in most cases..

[verykiasu2010]

limlim:

verykiasu2010:

how about jobs / work that singaporeans shun ?

That is different story..

These FW have been around for so long and there is no complains.. it was the recent mass influx of FTs for PMET jobs that causes the dislike towards FTs.. mainly the EP and S-Pass holders in most cases..

so we have to be more specific instead of lumping all foreigners in the same buckets

we need them to do the dirty jobs and lowly jobs and heavy jobs

we need them to bring the investment $$

we need them to show us how to do R&D

(we also need them to bring babies to us, now this one we also no good already .... :rotflmao: )

[Musings]

limlim:

Well, if Japanese firm employee Japanese and American firms employ Americans.. then no issues.. But it is not the case now..


Japanese, American, German, Swiss and Singapore firms are employing PRCs, Pinoys, Indians, Thais.. And for PMETs positions.. that is what many locals are not happy about.

Actually as spouse works in American MNC, it is not true that American MNC will want to hire Americans. They would rather hire Singaporeans because they have to pay less in perks and expat benfits. Only when they cannot find equivalent local expertise, they will bring in someone from overseas.

Even for PMET positions, there are different classes of Employment Pass holders. In particular for the highest class of EP holders P1 class earning >$8k, companies will not want to bring in foreigners under EP if there is equivalent or better Singapore expertise to perform the job because they have to pay perks to foreigners who come in at that level. But often, these are the managerial positions where the foreigners have the expertise to contribute which is lacking amongst Singaporeans.

I would think the squeeze is felt more at the level of the lower end jobs, S Pass holders and Q1 EP holders. But these lower end jobs at least in spouse company involves working in plants and operating machinery in remote part of Spore including on weekends, so very few Singaporeans are keen on it.

Therefore, Singaporeans have to realise that it is either they be less choosy or they have to upgrade their skills so that they have the expertise to take on higher end jobs where foreigners cannot replace them so easily.

This is the reality of gobalisation and instead of keeping the competition away or embark on protectionist measures to only keep the jobs for Singaporeans which is not realistic, we have to find ways to stay ahead of the curve.

[verykiasu2010]

Musings:

limlim:

Well, if Japanese firm employee Japanese and American firms employ Americans.. then no issues.. But it is not the case now..


Japanese, American, German, Swiss and Singapore firms are employing PRCs, Pinoys, Indians, Thais.. And for PMETs positions.. that is what many locals are not happy about.

Actually as spouse works in American MNC, it is not true that American MNC will want to hire Americans. They would rather hire Singaporeans because they have to pay less in perks and expat benfits. Only when they cannot find equivalent local expertise, they will bring in someone from overseas.

Even for PMET positions, there are different classes of Employment Pass holders. In particular for the highest class of EP holders P1 class earning >$8k, companies will not want to bring in foreigners under EP if there is equivalent or better Singapore expertise to perform the job because they have to pay perks to foreigners who come in at that level. But often, these are the managerial positions where the foreigners have the expertise to contribute which is lacking amongst Singaporeans.

I would think the squeeze is felt more at the level of the lower end jobs, S Pass holders and Q1 EP holders. But these lower end jobs at least in spouse company involves working in plants and operating machinery in remote part of Spore including on weekends, so very few Singaporeans are keen on it.

Therefore, Singaporeans have to realise that it is either they be less choosy or they have to upgrade their skills so that they have the expertise to take on higher end jobs where foreigners cannot replace them so easily.

This is the reality of gobalisation and instead of keeping the competition away or embark on protectionist measures to only keep the jobs for Singaporeans which is not realistic, we have to find ways to stay ahead of the curve.

:goodpost: very good musings

[janet88]

Moderators, need your help to spring-clean…I think off topic already.