Foreign Workers
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DTJ, you make a fair observation, but I suspect it is one part of the story only. Singapore managers are not cheap anymore, at the mid-senior level. I know of several cases where Westerners with similar or more experience were brought in at LOWER salaries than what was offered/earned to/by a Singaporean.
Sometimes it may seem like our overseas compadres have a lot to spend, quite a bit of it is illusory honestly. -
3Boys:
Good to know you encountered the opposite. It speaks well of our \"Singapore talent\" and I'm glad ... so at least there is hope, however tinyDTJ, you make a fair observation, but I suspect it is one part of the story only. Singapore managers are not cheap anymore, at the mid-senior level. I know of several cases where Westerners with similar or more experience were brought in at LOWER salaries than what was offered/earned to/by a Singaporean.
Sometimes it may seem like our overseas compadres have a lot to spend, quite a bit of it is illusory honestly.
But seriously, in the banking industry......... (I decided not to say more) -
about banking industry
i know of a transaction
the lead bank brought in their staff from UK, Germany, HK etc…some of them are junior and mid level only…by their own qualifications per se we can question why need them, though these people may have less than 5 years experience but the value they bring to the team and the transaction is their cross-discipline knowledge which is extremely valuable to the whole transaction. and so instead of 4 months preparation, it is cut to 2 months…even when they don’t read chinese characters but when they go to sites in China where the control rooms’ computer display are all in Chinese, they still know exactly what is going on…now,in Singapore we hardly have this type of people
it is easy for us to criticise the foreign PMET, but we are far behind in terms of ability and agility in executing a transaction -
Honestly, for each individual, instead of waiting for things to be done to help you, my suggestion is help yourself first. Explore the possibility of being a foreign worker in other countries, then perhaps you can understand why it is required in some areas and perhaps the overseas exposure can increase your value when you return. Just some food for thought.
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ksi:
Honestly, for each individual, instead of waiting for things to be done to help you, my suggestion is help yourself first. Explore the possibility of being a foreign worker in other countries, then perhaps you can understand why it is required in some areas and perhaps the overseas exposure can increase your value when you return. Just some food for thought.
you don't want to be accused by people of advocating cheap labour to replace them and they having served NS and defended the country are now forced out of their own county ??!!
you have good advice but people can twist it around to slam you :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :evil: :evil: -
verykiasu2010:
Oh thanks for the alert :hi5: ...but if more are going out to work, would it not be a better way to send the signal? :evil: In fact working overseas have its merits.ksi:
Honestly, for each individual, instead of waiting for things to be done to help you, my suggestion is help yourself first. Explore the possibility of being a foreign worker in other countries, then perhaps you can understand why it is required in some areas and perhaps the overseas exposure can increase your value when you return. Just some food for thought.
you don't want to be accused by people of advocating cheap labour to replace them and they having served NS and defended the country are now forced out of their own county ??!!
you have good advice but people can twist it around to slam you :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :evil: :evil: -
verykiasu2010:
I have no comments on the banking sector, but I'll like to share about the engineering/manufacturing sector.about banking industry
i know of a transaction
it is easy for us to criticise the foreign PMET, but we are far behind in terms of ability and agility in executing a transaction
Most of the time, the so-called foreign \"talent\" has no real talent nor skills at all.. The only reason they're here is bcoz they're CHEAPer than locals. Some took up engineering positions but doesn't know how to use excel, or understand simple programs, have poor understanding ability and troubleshooting skills.. The company is probably hoping that local engineers can train them up so that these cheap labors can take up higher level job but at much lower pay.
The term FT have been grossly abused..
These are just cheap labor, no way near being foreign \"talent\". And totally no value added to local economy other than lowering the cost of running business at the expense of local workers. -
And I so often hear complains from ex-colleagues that those pinoy engineers knowing nuts but is very good at wayang and PLP to bosses… And it’s the local engineers doing most of the real work most of the time.
For e.g. The local engineers supported the pinoy production engineers to setup equipments, run tests, and analysis of the results… the pinoys just "format" the presentation nicely with colours and powerpoint effects, and takes all the credits for the project… -
limlim:
just \"format\" the presentation nicely with colours and powerpoint effects, and takes all the credits for the project..
I think we all know people, both foreign and local, who are great at doing that :evil:
Just saw some stuff P5 kids were doing at my son's P-school, I think future Singaporeans will be knocking the socks off other people at presentations.....
Bosses aren't (always ) dumb, the impression that somehow foreigners can only present whilst the locals work, is frankly misplaced, and not at all my experience. There are good and bad eggs in all camps, at the end of the day, we need to go for the guy that delivers, or our necks are next in line.
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DTJ:
I believe Singapore managers are very well regarded. I was speaking with a recruiter some time back, who surprised me by saying, that despite the more entrepreneurial climate in Taiwan, MNCs there tend to prefer Singapore mid-senior managers due to their abilities. Easier to place and they get higher salaries too. Another recruiter I spoke to mentioned keen competition here for talent as companies continue to set up regional HQs. If they could hire locally, they would FAR prefer to do so, and HAVE done so, very successfully.
Good to know you encountered the opposite. It speaks well of our \"Singapore talent\" and I'm glad ... so at least there is hope, however tiny3Boys:
DTJ, you make a fair observation, but I suspect it is one part of the story only. Singapore managers are not cheap anymore, at the mid-senior level. I know of several cases where Westerners with similar or more experience were brought in at LOWER salaries than what was offered/earned to/by a Singaporean.
Sometimes it may seem like our overseas compadres have a lot to spend, quite a bit of it is illusory honestly.
But seriously, in the banking industry......... (I decided not to say more)
Despite what it may seem, I have a lot of regard for our fellow countryman workers. They still have that edge. But I honestly fear that it is being lost in all this self-pity, the fighting spirit seems to be evaporating.
That's why I sometimes write harshly, if there is one thing that irks me, its all the whining, drives me up the wall.
Lift your eyes off the ground folk, all it needs is an attitude adjustment, and we will be fine.
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