GEP and IQ
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mashy:
Wow, P1 reading P3 great. Good exposure.Oic. Thanks! So it actually depends on how much advanced work they have done right? Like P3 doing p6 or more level.
Guess my son won't make it since its emphasis is on english and maths. His strength is science. Reading p3-4 science text now and he is going p1 next yr. -
deardear07:
Just curious,what triggers u guys to test their IQs? And where do u guys do it? Coz my understanding is-IQ tests r v exp. And also depends on what kinda tests they go thru...?there r various types.
IQ tests are expensive, ~$500+ for the full test. Test usually consists of 2 main categories: performance (spatial aptitude or the more traditional IQ type questions) and verbal (language based).
Such tests are useful for 2 main reasons: To know your child's strengths so you can better prepare or enhance his/her learning experience because trust me, this is going to be very different from the typical child's.
Equally important to derive from the test is to understand the child's weakness.
Children with high/exceptionally high IQ tend to have unbalanced development across the various abilities: linguistic, musical, kinesthetic, etc. (google multiple IQs) A good IQ test would highlight the weak parts which may require early intervention, or at the very least, a good thing to be aware of.
It'll be good to take the test if you suspect your child is rather different from the typical child. (you'll know it yourself) And do prepare your child for the test. Not for the materials but mentally prepare him/her so the child understands this is something to help him/her. Such preparation also allows the child to be more accurately tested.
My own experience is not many child psychologists in Singapore do IQ tests. Most specialized in behavioral or developmental problem areas. This can be a frustrating thing because every question they ask would gear towards problem areas, rather than IQ related. (Like \"Does your child have problem socializing with others?\" And inside of you would go \"No!! We just want him IQ tested!\")
Some who claim they do children IQ tests are obviously not very proficient at them. Then again, our finding is that there's a severe lack of competency in dealing with gifted children across the board in Singapore from government (MOE) to professionals (psychologists & teachers) to services (kindergartens & schools), especially those catered to gifted children of rather young age. (Somehow people tend to subscribe to the \"all parents think their little angel is a genius\" theory)
Note that while the answers to the IQ tests are quantifiable, the findings are quite subjective based on the psychologist doing the test. If you have made known certain expectations upfront, you might get a very favorable findings since you're the one paying. This may not be in your best interest. (This is also why MOE only accepts IQ test results done by \"approved\" psychologists.)
Don't have the child take the test with any kind of expectation because that'll only put undue pressure on both parents and the child. Always consider the test option with the child's interests in mind, not the parents'.
Just my $0.02.. -
Actually there is no necessity to do IQ test if a child just demonstrates high ability to achieve many things and have no issues. More often than not, an IQ test becomes a necessity when some problems are detected in a child and doing an IQ test helps to understand the cause. This is why psychologist would come from a problem-based approach. Honestly, is gutfeel not good enough to develop a child if a child demonstrates high ability?
Children with high IQ typically have a disconnect in some other areas resulting in somewhat problematic issues. This is when help is sought to manage it. If it is just a high IQ learner, just enjoy the child. -
ksi:
I've heard stories (of a child psychologist's own nephew no less) about children with seemingly no issues until they go to school and become the class \"problem\" child all because they can't concentrate or day dream all the time. The problem is made worse when the school teachers with mainstream experience & skill set can't recognize the issue at hand and take the \"problem based\" approach. Turned out that these children are highly gifted and just find mainstream curriculum boring.Actually there is no necessity to do IQ test if a child just demonstrates high ability to achieve many things and have no issues.
Local teachers expect children to be well behaved and listen to whatever they talk in class, even if the stuff is too boring for the brightest.
If an IQ test had been done, the whole unfortunate episode would've been avoided. Equally important is the child's early learning years could've also been much more productive & interesting, with a focused & enhanced learning environment provided. -
HAPPYH:
No doubt that high IQ child can absorb and understand things better, and they can even multitasking during the class , play / day dream while teacher is teaching .There is one person in my DD's friend class. Very playful, trying to distract others all the time. Since that person's IQ (?) is high (I must admit she/he is smart), she/he manages to concentrate on the subject. Just my friend's experience.
My conclusion is high IQ children can absorb things easily even though they seemed to be not paying attention. So dont need to worry. They will manage the situation quite well.
They can catch up but might not able to excel the end if they continue not paying attention in the upper primary . JMHO -
I come across a child who was tested and has high IQ but did not do well in tests (CAs and SAs). He is very strong-minded and will not put his answers down for those questions he knows. His reasoning is \"I already know this\". Therefore, he will only try those questions he may not get correct. So you can imagine how many marks he gets for his tests
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I guess the first thing is to teach kids with high IQ is how to survive socially. Make them learn the EQ part and adapt.
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rambutan77:
Er...I'm not so sure it's avoidable le.Local teachers expect children to be well behaved and listen to whatever they talk in class, even if the stuff is too boring for the brightest.
If an IQ test had been done, the whole unfortunate episode would've been avoided.
Primary school is about mass education. Even if a particular child is tested and found to be gifted, teachers do not have the bandwith to pay special attention to that child. Their focus is usually on the weaker ones.
Unless parents intend to use the IQ report for early P1 admission or level skipping or subject acceleration. Then again, this is provided MOE accepts child's IQ as exceptional. Hearsay only handful of kids qualifed as exceptional over the last decade based on MOE's stringent definition. Hence, the rest of the gifted kids have to endure mediocre P1 to P3 and wait dutifully for GEP screening at P3.
Meanwhile, EQ comes into play. Go to school & socialize, learn how to make friends & get along with others. In my humble opinion, being gifted & bored doesn't justify the right to be disruptive in class (excluding ADHD & other conditions)
Bored in class also ę²”åę³, have to learn to deal with boredom without disrupting the class
Why not channel that engery to helping classmates who are weaker in learning. Think of it as social responsiblity? Never too early to start
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sleepy:
Bored in class also ę²”åę³, have to learn to deal with boredom without disrupting the class Why not channel that engery to helping classmates who are weaker in learning. Think of it as social responsiblity? Never too early to start
If you as parent or the teacher don't know your child has high IQ, how do you expect the teacher to allow him/her to help classmates?!
Finding out that your child has high IQ doesn't mean he/she is \"entitled\" or \"privileged\" anywhere he/she goes. (If you can find a school principal or teachers who understand and can make special arrangements to accommodate his/her special needs, you in luck.) The goal is to understand his/her needs and make his/her learning experience a pleasant one. That's your duty as a parent. -
My ealier response was pertaining to your comments:
rambutan77:
I've heard stories (of a child psychologist's own nephew no less) about children with seemingly no issues until they go to school and become the class \"problem\" child all because they can't concentrate or day dream all the time. The problem is made worse when the school teachers with mainstream experience & skill set can't recognize the issue at hand and take the \"problem based\" approach. Turned out that these children are highly gifted and just find mainstream curriculum boring.
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