GEP and IQ
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HAPPYH:
No doubt that high IQ child can absorb and understand things better, and they can even multitasking during the class , play / day dream while teacher is teaching .There is one person in my DD's friend class. Very playful, trying to distract others all the time. Since that person's IQ (?) is high (I must admit she/he is smart), she/he manages to concentrate on the subject. Just my friend's experience.
My conclusion is high IQ children can absorb things easily even though they seemed to be not paying attention. So dont need to worry. They will manage the situation quite well.
They can catch up but might not able to excel the end if they continue not paying attention in the upper primary . JMHO -
I come across a child who was tested and has high IQ but did not do well in tests (CAs and SAs). He is very strong-minded and will not put his answers down for those questions he knows. His reasoning is \"I already know this\". Therefore, he will only try those questions he may not get correct. So you can imagine how many marks he gets for his tests
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I guess the first thing is to teach kids with high IQ is how to survive socially. Make them learn the EQ part and adapt.
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rambutan77:
Er...I'm not so sure it's avoidable le.Local teachers expect children to be well behaved and listen to whatever they talk in class, even if the stuff is too boring for the brightest.
If an IQ test had been done, the whole unfortunate episode would've been avoided.
Primary school is about mass education. Even if a particular child is tested and found to be gifted, teachers do not have the bandwith to pay special attention to that child. Their focus is usually on the weaker ones.
Unless parents intend to use the IQ report for early P1 admission or level skipping or subject acceleration. Then again, this is provided MOE accepts child's IQ as exceptional. Hearsay only handful of kids qualifed as exceptional over the last decade based on MOE's stringent definition. Hence, the rest of the gifted kids have to endure mediocre P1 to P3 and wait dutifully for GEP screening at P3.
Meanwhile, EQ comes into play. Go to school & socialize, learn how to make friends & get along with others. In my humble opinion, being gifted & bored doesn't justify the right to be disruptive in class (excluding ADHD & other conditions)
Bored in class also 没办法, have to learn to deal with boredom without disrupting the class
Why not channel that engery to helping classmates who are weaker in learning. Think of it as social responsiblity? Never too early to start
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sleepy:
Bored in class also 没办法, have to learn to deal with boredom without disrupting the class Why not channel that engery to helping classmates who are weaker in learning. Think of it as social responsiblity? Never too early to start
If you as parent or the teacher don't know your child has high IQ, how do you expect the teacher to allow him/her to help classmates?!
Finding out that your child has high IQ doesn't mean he/she is \"entitled\" or \"privileged\" anywhere he/she goes. (If you can find a school principal or teachers who understand and can make special arrangements to accommodate his/her special needs, you in luck.) The goal is to understand his/her needs and make his/her learning experience a pleasant one. That's your duty as a parent. -
My ealier response was pertaining to your comments:
rambutan77:
I've heard stories (of a child psychologist's own nephew no less) about children with seemingly no issues until they go to school and become the class \"problem\" child all because they can't concentrate or day dream all the time. The problem is made worse when the school teachers with mainstream experience & skill set can't recognize the issue at hand and take the \"problem based\" approach. Turned out that these children are highly gifted and just find mainstream curriculum boring.
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rambutan77:
Perhaps you have personal experience to share regarding ''principal or teachers who make special arrangement to accomodate''? If your experience is favourable, agreed you're really lucky!
If you as parent or the teacher don't know your child has high IQ, how do you expect the teacher to allow him/her to help classmates?!
Finding out that your child has high IQ doesn't mean he/she is \"entitled\" or \"privileged\" anywhere he/she goes. (If you can find a school principal or teachers who understand and can make special arrangements to accommodate his/her special needs, you in luck.) The goal is to understand his/her needs and make his/her learning experience a pleasant one. That's your duty as a parent.
Because based on my personal experience, 'absolutely nothing' happens even though school has a copy of IQ report. I had numerous long discussions with principal on enhancing learning experience. At the end of day, their hands are tied. Primary school is about mass education. They have limited bandwith as mentioned earlier. The advice given was to wait for GEP screening at P3. Although it's far from satisfactory, I can empathise with their difficulties.
So instead of feeling frustrated or becoming a 'problem' child over something we have no influence or control over (during school hours), I suggest to dd how to deal with boredom while in class. I see it as my duty as a parent to teach her to choose the battle to fight (in this case, no win) & learn how to look at the bright side. It's either half cup full or half cup empty.
Thus, on a brighter note, if P1 to P3 school syllabus is that easy, then the more she should finish her classwork quickly instead of chit chatting or distracting her classmates. With her spare time after finishing classwork quickly, she can either read silently or help her weaker classmates.
I also see it as my duty to teach her empathy. I expect her to show respect to her teachers who are trying to teach (keep quiet when teacher is conducting lessons, alright to day dream but keep your eyes on the white board :evil: ) and show consideration to her classmates who are trying to learn (even though she may not be learning much).
As to your question ''how do you expect the teacher to allow him/her to help classmates?!'', we never ask for permission. Her classmates automatically seek her out if they still don't understand teacher's repeated explanation. Or whenever they are stuck attempting classwork, classmates sitting near her would ask her instead of going to teacher. So there's a small crowd at teacher's desk and another small crowd at her desk. I'm very glad she has fond memories of her friendship with her classmates even after leaving that school
Not meaning to start a debate here with anyone. Just sharing what we personally went through during P1 to P3. Bottomline, with or without IQ report hasn't made a difference to her learning experience in school. At home, sky is the limit to learning
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We know from our contacts, her son is now 23 years old. GEP student when he was 10 years old. Went to ACS I, IB programme. During NS time, not even clinched an officer rank. Applied for scholarship was rejected interview failed. Reason: the parents said their son’s EQ is a hindrance.
What pissed us off, the mother expects every child to follow her son’s style. Instead of playing or socialising with friends, her son will read book at one corner when he was younger till today. The mother will ask other children to keep quiet and read books, she can’t stand the laughter of children.
I thought MOE GEP branch is promising their GEP students a ‘Smooth’ sailing education ranging from scholarship, white-horse treatment in NS, future CNB and SCDF Commissioner something like that. -
MOE GEP Branch NEVER promise their GEP students any of the above. For me, GEP is just meant for kids that have different learning style. My DD joined the prog this year and he is enjoying the learning journey, although he do feel working in groups not an easy task but he tries as it is just one of things he has to to.
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What is considered high IQ? Above 130 ? that is in the top what , 2% ? Or above 150 ?
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