GEP Preparatory Program
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nansk:
So are we talking about the kids (whether coachable or not), or the selection criteria? :scratchhead:
Right. Except that parents of the mid band will never question the selection criteria.Nebbermind:
Of course coachable!
Just like psle, if a good student work hard , he'll prob get pretty good result.
but that being said, ere will always be many in the mid band who no matter how much effort putin in, will still remain midband.
Anyway, I think it's difficult to have absolute fair selection criteria. Take for example psle. Some of theeople I spoke to felt that Chinese has a much higher weightage to the t-score than math and science, ie, a low A can cost you more than the same for math and science.
But Chinese is only one of the 7 or 8 subjects in secondary school so why should it have such great impact on the t-score that will affect my s1 posting? -
Nebbermind:
So are we talking about the kids (whether coachable or not), or the selection criteria? :scratchhead:
Right. Except that parents of the mid band will never question the selection criteria.nansk:
[quote=\"Nebbermind\"]Of course coachable!
Just like psle, if a good student work hard , he'll prob get pretty good result.
but that being said, ere will always be many in the mid band who no matter how much effort putin in, will still remain midband.
Anyway, I think it's difficult to have absolute fair selection criteria. Take for example psle. Some of theeople I spoke to felt that Chinese has a much higher weightage to the t-score than math and science, ie, a low A can cost you more than the same for math and science.
But Chinese is only one of the 7 or 8 subjects in secondary school so why should it have such great impact on the t-score that will affect my s1 posting?[/quote]So we start history, geography, literature from P3 also? Then t-score based on the core 7-8 subjects to determine our sec Sch? Can? Like that more fair? -
At P3 you want to teach kids lit, geog and hist?? Wow… Like that childhood very sad man, everyday need to study this kind of thing…
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Skyed:
At P3 you want to teach kids lit, geog and hist?? Wow... Like that childhood very sad man, everyday need to study this kind of thing...
Its already sad without these subjects.... Reading about the stress and regime some kids have to go thru'....... -
BeContented:
Like that....hmmm...maybe can Even dsa gep! Then dsa ip school...so no need to worry abt t-score!
So we start history, geography, literature from P3 also? Then t-score based on the core 7-8 subjects to determine our sec Sch? Can? Like that more fair? -
Nebbermind:
You keep changing the topic to PSLE, and I am talking about prep for the GEP selection test, and whether an applicant can guage&meet the selection criteria.
So are we talking about the kids (whether coachable or not), or the selection criteria?
Anyway, I think it's difficult to have absolute fair selection criteria. Take for example psle....
What I concluded from the blog post I linked to, is that it is possible to be coached and prepared for the selection test, in Eng, Maths and General Ability. This possibility of coaching, leading to success, means that the moneyed kids have an edge. The MoE maintains that the test is not coachable, but the facts prove otherwise.
That is what people have found and that is what they aim for when they plan GEP prep for their kids. And then, of course, when their kids (whom they see as deserving of a GEP spot) don't get in, they vent here that the selection criteria are not fair/transparent. -
nansk:
But doesn't the fact that the coached kids fail to get in lend weight to MOE's claim :evil:
What I concluded from the blog post I linked to, is that it is possible to be coached and prepared for the selection test, in Eng, Maths and General Ability. This possibility of coaching, leading to success, means that the moneyed kids have an edge. The MoE maintains that the test is not coachable, but the facts prove otherwise.
That is what people have found and that is what they aim for when they plan GEP prep for their kids. And then, of course, when their kids (whom they see as deserving of a GEP spot) don't get in, they vent here that the selection criteria are not fair/transparent. -
nansk,
By ‘coached’ and ‘prepared’, do you mean attending just the GEP preparatory classes or does it include enrichment/tuition classes?
Honestly, I wouldn’t be able to give you much opinion; firstly, I have never seen the papers, so I have no idea what’s been tested and if they can be coached or prepared for; secondly, my son has spent only about 3 years (4-7) in Singapore before he took the tests. During our stay in Singapore, he attended only Berries for enrichment.
But if you don’t mind, I can share his general comments on the papers. -
What I've learnt is that MOE is quite smart and tweaks the testing
In the past, the selection tests were all MCQs. Then some parents discovered how to train. Service providers happily catch up. Moneyed parents happily throw $$$ to train. MOE also catches up. There are now open-ended questions in the selection tests. Cannot tikam for those. -
CayennePepper:
Not only that, there is more than one set of test papers in the selection tests. At least, that's what we observed.What I've learnt is that MOE is quite smart and tweaks the testing
In the past, the selection tests were all MCQs. Then some parents discovered how to train. Service providers happily catch up. Moneyed parents happily throw $$$ to train. MOE also catches up. There are now open-ended questions in the selection tests. Cannot tikam for those.
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