Children Suicide Cases

[ZacK]

kiasu_princess:

and so from personal experience, I can safely say that SELF-INJURY DOES NOT HELP. Neither does suicide.

We are certainly glad that you managed to figure that out before it's too late, your parents will definitely be glad to know that as well

[kiasu_princess]

Thanks ZacK.

[kiasu_princess]

Okay, thanks.

[3Boys]

Here is an article you may find interesting;


http://www.micsem.org/pubs/articles/suicide/frames/suifamilyfr.htm

It basically states the study of a Micronesian population with a highish rate of young adults committing suicide, where there seemed to be a very different underlying motivations when compared with traditional factors found in western countries.

Here is some stats for Singapore suicide rates from 1960 to 2006 -->

http://www.who.int/mental_health/media/sing.pdf

It appears to have been fairly stable for the last 3-4 decades.

Each individual case is a tragedy, and any 1 suicide is 1 too many. However, I think it would be simplistic to just point the finger at school stress and poor parenting. Are there things we can do to improve with regards to those? Certainly, but I don't think we can very justifiably point to that being the main driver for suicides in Singapore youth.

[3Boys]

insider:

3Boys:

I think it would be simplistic to just point the finger at school stress and poor parenting. Are there things we can do to improve with regards to those?

I tend to believe for suicide of young children, parents have to shoulder major part of the responsibility with the fault lies mainly on their failure to build resilience into their kids from young. Factors contribute to suicide are nature + nurture. Nurture part is what we have to do, how to must strike a balance between providing without over-providing, protecting without over-protecting, schooling without over-schooling, etc...

insider, what do you define as young children? The very young (<10) seldom ever kill themselves.

Whilst it may be intuitive to draw a link between parenting styles and child/adolescent suicide, are there solid studies to back that theory up? I would be interested to see. My gut feel is that there is enough width in the confidence intervals that any link between the two would be shaky at best.

The causation of child/adolescent suicide tend to be multifactorial in nature. Some articles are linked below. Whilst some of these factors are co-related (poor child hood expereinece, low self esteem, frequesnt relocations), and can be a cause of parenting challenges, it does not necessarily imply an issue with the parenting style itself.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VB8-43KJFW2-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=680f4223ddebb9f9f975a2eb93be87e4

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T2X-4FTWJT9-1&_user=10&_origUdi=B6VB8-43KJFW2-1&_fmt=high&_coverDate=06%2F30%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_orig=article&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=fa89f5b6d6450864e4338bcc12817cc6

I think some of the other forumers in this thread have indicated that we may need to avoid pinning the blame on parents if a child/adolescent decides to hurt/kill oneself, and I tned to agree. Whilst it is likely justifiable in a small number of cases its probably not broadly generalisable.

Cheers

[en107rn.01056yahoo.01056com.01056sg]

Found this website on Suicide Prevention and a better understanding why a person commit suicide, the motivation of suicide seems to change as a person age.


On a personal experience (continuation from the earlier story), the feeling of solitude follows me throughout most of my life. It feels like there is an unfinished business between me and my good friend. Seeking solace towards the higher being helps me. Where friends and lecturers seems uncomfortable to reach out, there are kind soul who cares and help me out to talk it out. It takes months and months and finally I feel that I have emptied what was kept deep inside. That was then I feel there's no more tears to be shed. But, the demon is gone. Just empty shells left. I am glad I did not become one of the statistic.

Here's the website: http://www.helpguide.org/mental/suicide_prevention.htm

Please do be on a look out for our love ones.

[Skippy]

Thanks for sharing EN and great you are doing your studies in an area that you have had personal experience with - A friend of mine in Australia and I were deeply effected recently on the suicide death of a 14 year old girl in Melbourne who spoke for an hour with her mum on the night she took her life - she was upset about being bullied on cyberspace. That night, my friend who is an expert in bullying had arrived in Melbourne to work with a school - it was odd to think that whilst he slept in the same city, this little girl took her life over what he was going there to help prevent.


I hope it is okay with the CK of this site if I give you his website as he is coming to Singapore to give workshops. I don't gain from this financially!! It's just that he is doing such great work that I like to tell people about his work. http://www.bullying-prevention.com

As little as 5 year olds are being bullied in schools! Can you imagine if this continued into their teens how disempowered they feel and end their lives so tragically. The kids that don't commit suicide end up becoming depressed, take to drugs, and perhaps even become bullies themselves to survive. I hope he gets lots of teachers and counsellors and student welfare people to come and hear what he has to say. Parents as well could benefit from his talks.

I hope your studies will allow you the opportunity to chat with young people and help them one day. Skippy

[Skippy]

Hi Insider

I forgot to mention your forum name in the reply posted today to EN which was meant for you as well !!
I am hopeless at navigating sometimes thru the reply section and need a helmet for each time I fall off - LOL
So thanks for your comments and please read EN reply - Cheers - Skippy the bruised kangaroo.

[en107rn.01056yahoo.01056com.01056sg]

[quote]Hi Insider

I forgot to mention your forum name in the reply posted today to EN which was meant for you as well !!
I am hopeless at navigating sometimes thru the reply section and need a helmet for each time I fall off - LOL
So thanks for your comments and please read EN reply - Cheers - Skippy the bruised kangaroo.[/quote]Hi Skippy

I don't do a study on suicide lah. Was just sharing my experience and happen to chance upon the website and it describe exactly how a person in despair and close to suicide feels. I thought it is a good site to share.

I remember doing a study on Organisational Management (I think since it has been years ago), the study touches on motivaton in relations to stress.

A little stress is a good motivating factors for an individual. However, different individual has different capacity in taking the level of stress. Assuming same incident applied to two different individuals will obtain two different responses as their way of reacting to stress are different.

Too much stress (again highly depends on individual) instead of giving the extra push to motivate can actually become harmful as the person is not able to cope.

So, it can be that some kids motivated to commit suicide is actually the amount of pressure or stress that they are not able to take.

I have a nephew, who few years back, wrote a message in the school journal that he can't cope with life expectation. That his life is filled up to the brim of one classes to another. Quick thinking teacher actually notified the parents and show them the journal.

[Skippy]

EN - Ok I understand.


Yes there is good and bad stress for sure. It seems that parental expectations are on the increase. You only have to read some of the stresses that parents carry to understand how these are inflicted onto little children and impressionable teens!! When ever you read in the papers about teenagers going off the rails it is usually because they cannot meet the high demands on what their parents expect of them. A friend of mine while chatting with a teen recently got to the bottom of his depression and it was because his father wanted him to be a doctor and he did not have the academic skills that the rest of his family seem to possess.

Skippy