Is GEP really necessary?

[jtoh]

keroppi:

jtoh:

[quote=\"friendship\"]Hi Thanks for the downloading.


Really really endless

friendship, you're funny. :rotflmao: Here's another one for you - NeverEnding Story by Limahl. Anyone remember that?

I do ... yah, this and true colors ... we are probably from the same era ... :imcool:[/quote]Oops! Have I betrayed how young we are? :rotflmao:

[2ppaamm]

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This is ringing in my head... you see, maybe my era is ooolderrrr.... hehehehe

[2ppaamm]

comfy:

2ppaamm:

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It will be good if can get feedback from IP teachers, then we will have a better picture.

Whatever they say to me, they will know I will tell them it is bullshit. I cannot accept this at all! IP is in every international school, are we saying they can only certain kind of student? This must be a joke. Sorry. Cannot accept this. Not you, but whatever the schools say. Here's another thing. You don't have to believe everything you are told, we can all think and reason.

If you say that, they might say the same thing about you too. Need to drink 'ching teng'? Of course, we can all think and reason, that why we are here in KS forum sharing our thoughts and information. Hope that you are not going to say to me that we are two parallel lines again. :siam:[/quote]Better than unparallel lines, they meet once and then diverge further and further apart... so parallel is good what... close but never meet. Just like KSP parents, never really meet.. :evil: , parallel lines are good, easier on the Math also. Today I got party... hehehe, so I'll be busy baking... yum!

[verykiasu2010]

Melodies:

Where is hokkiengirl (I think she taught IP school before) to chip in on why IP schools prefer GEPpers to mainstreamers? What are the attributes?


Calling Hokkiengirl.....

IP schools where got prefer GEPpers to mainstreamers ? in every IP school, mainstreamers are still the majority

[verykiasu2010]

jtoh:

The vast majority of students in IP and IS schools are from the mainstream, so they are given equal opportunities to be in IP. Schools like RI/RGS probably only have 20% of GEPpers in their population. NYGH only 5%? DHS <5%?


If you think that DSA is an unfair basis for selection into IP because some (very few) GEPpers score below the COP, then maybe we should not allow some sports and aesthetics students to be allowed entry via DSA because some of them have T-scores far below the COP of the school. Some going in with as much as 40 points below the school's COP.

GEPpers are better able to adapt to an IP environment bec of the way they were taught in primary school. I won't bother to explain how but sufficeth to say that IP schools recognize this.

I think in RI, the GEPpers number around 190 (7 classes x 30 less a few mainstreamers in these 7 classes), and out of a cohort size of 450, it forms 42%. In HCI, it numbers around 90, so out of cohort size of 450, it forms 20%. Not sure about RGS / NYGH numbers though

[Nebbermind]

Thanks for the numbers, VK2010!!


Perhaps when people talking about GEP having advantage over mainstreamers during DSA, they are really referring to the 4 schools mentioned above!!

[2ppaamm]

verykiasu2010:

jtoh:

The vast majority of students in IP and IS schools are from the mainstream, so they are given equal opportunities to be in IP. Schools like RI/RGS probably only have 20% of GEPpers in their population. NYGH only 5%? DHS <5%?


If you think that DSA is an unfair basis for selection into IP because some (very few) GEPpers score below the COP, then maybe we should not allow some sports and aesthetics students to be allowed entry via DSA because some of them have T-scores far below the COP of the school. Some going in with as much as 40 points below the school's COP.

GEPpers are better able to adapt to an IP environment bec of the way they were taught in primary school. I won't bother to explain how but sufficeth to say that IP schools recognize this.

I think in RI, the GEPpers number around 190 (7 classes x 30 less a few mainstreamers in these 7 classes), and out of a cohort size of 450, it forms 42%. In HCI, it numbers around 90, so out of cohort size of 450, it forms 20%. Not sure about RGS / NYGH numbers though

You are an amazing source of information!! I only remember RI has about 6 or 7 classes, starting with 'I' or 'J' to 'M' if I recall correctly. The rest, I don't even follow or know, but your numbers look right and interesting. So, how can IP school prefer GEP when they have more mainstreamers most of the time? Imagine even in Raffles, we are talking about majority being mainstreamers, so the schools are all used to teaching students from mainstream, in fact, more used to compared to GEP.

Then, I am back to my point, it is a matter of policy, which again, does not make sense. Hahaha.... on and on and on. Endless... As long as we are just looking out for our own kids, and speaking up for them, it will be endless. I will always say make it fair for all in terms of entrance and scholarship. That's just so much easier to get buy in from everyone, but everyone is entitled to their views. BTW, my older kids were successful in DSA, but that does not make it fair, unless they also meet the COP.

[Chenonceau]

verykiasu2010:

I think in RI, the GEPpers number around 190 (7 classes x 30 less a few mainstreamers in these 7 classes), and out of a cohort size of 450, it forms 42%. In HCI, it numbers around 90, so out of cohort size of 450, it forms 20%. Not sure about RGS / NYGH numbers though

I just wanna confirm... In RI,

42% of students are GEP
58% of students are Mainstream

Is it also true that GEP is 1% of the entire school population?

[verykiasu2010]

Chenonceau:

verykiasu2010:

I think in RI, the GEPpers number around 190 (7 classes x 30 less a few mainstreamers in these 7 classes), and out of a cohort size of 450, it forms 42%. In HCI, it numbers around 90, so out of cohort size of 450, it forms 20%. Not sure about RGS / NYGH numbers though

I just wanna confirm... In RI,

42% of students are GEP
58% of students are Mainstream

Is it also true that GEP is 1% of the entire school population?

yes that is the origin of the students ex-Pri 6. once in RI, they are all the same doing the same thing \"from the same starting line\" (quoting the school)

yes roughly 1% of the cohort, so roughly 450 to 500, is GEP at pri school

so your next conclusion is RI has the largest share of GEP kids.

and the chief difference between RI and HCI is that everyone of the 450 in RI gets the same enriched curriculum of SBGE, whereas in HCI, only the iSpark consortium (about 90 kids) has the differentiated curriculum. Understand HCI is also beginning to roll out certain program similar to RI's Euler etc

[Chenonceau]

2ppaamm:

Then, I am back to my point, it is a matter of policy, which again, does not make sense. Hahaha.... on and on and on. Endless... As long as we are just looking out for our own kids, and speaking up for them, it will be endless. I will always say make it fair for all in terms of entrance and scholarship. That's just so much easier to get buy in from everyone, but everyone is entitled to their views. BTW, my older kids were successful in DSA, but that does not make it fair, unless they also meet the COP.

I did get your point that you did NOT think GEP should be scrapped. You advocated just changing it... so that...

(1) where required GEPpers can have the luxury of working on their weak subjects at normal pace (with the necessary amount of practice/drilling). Many GEPpers weak in this or the other are highly stressed by the need to follow an enhanced syllabus in EVERY area. They are children too... and we can and should protect them from excessive stress.

(2) where appropriate HIGHLY gifted GEPpers in any one subject can get the kind of individual attention a Lim Jeck needs, instead of having to slow down to the level of the other GEPpers. This would properly maximize each child's potential.

(3) GEPpers should have daily interactions within a community of normal children so that the US vs THEM mentality does not perpetuate itself. GEPpers are DIFFERENT. It doesn't help them socially to accentuate these differences. Apart from their obvious intellectual NEED for stimulation, these children need normality in other areas of their lives. Some families make it a point to do that but the schools (in the way they're set up at present) don't make it easy.

If it makes you feel better... I do agree with you on these points.