Is GEP really necessary?
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2ppaamm
SAF is always looking for men/women of character and leadership. Education level is important but more critical is the ability to perform and make decisions under stressful conditions.
My guess is that humanities studies ie NUS arts and social studies is an area whereby a fair number of commanders come from. Of course NTU and SMU social sciences also produce a good number of commanders.
Totally no mention of gep. Don’t knw why. -
ksi:
just like marriage ?
You must be kidding to expect a 100% accuracy.Mychildren:
Hi, my DS's friend got in too because was prepared before hand. So I do somewhat agreed on the above in blue. I don't want to say so much cause his mum might be reading this.
:siam:
1. MOE can only try their best to be prudent in their processes to minimise but cannot eliminate. There is definitely a % of HA in there because between 1% and 1.1% any difference?
2. If that child is trained, the child already has the pre-requisite of innate ability. My personal experience is all those that I know who trained, DID NOT get in...and trained a few years...but academically doing above average in mainstream. -
ruohoo97:
Maybe he/she is late-bloomer.[/quote]
If what you said in blue is true, I wonder why he is not selected then??? :?Mychildren:
Basic traits of a truly gifted :
a) Speed reading
b) Great ability in understanding and analysis at high speed.
c) Elephant memory with unlimited storage capacity for all subjects
d) Ability to see links and patterns that others don't
Can a truly gifted, who is endowed with such natural talents not do well in exam because they are skewed? Their elephant memory will pull them through easily even if they don't like it.
HA kids usually have (a) and (b) and some also have (d). However, they don't have (c). It is \"elephant memory\" that allows the gifted to process new issues with cross reference to a much bigger data base at high speed and coming up with a solution. A HA kid needs to wake up and start storing all the info to do well. Those that failed to wake up will be lost in the crowd.
Hot-housed kids has only (a). At young age, their (b) appears good as they went through accelerated learning. As years go by, without the other factors, their results will suffer.
by the way, a well known test tube baby expert took O level exams twice and A level exams twice .... but then compared with parents who need IVF help, twice is considered as fast !
but for exams result ........... -
verykiasu2010:
Haha we may know the same boy! I know of one who also opted out of GEP program because his parents afraid he couldn't find recess kaki in new school ( i hope she is just kidding me) Top few in PSLE, now in the most elite school and ambition is to earn enough money to eat all the good food on earth.
a child of a friend of mine did this : scoring 100% in every subject to \"shock and awe\" the classmates and teachers and to comply with mom, and the unspoken challenge :\"don't mess with me!\"...but got other \"giftedness\" - gluttonyatutor2001:
Just sharing here, hoping that the selection process can be refined so that these groups can be blocked and will not be subjected to unnecessary pressure and suffering under the programme. -
Sun_2010:
the gripe here is not the support from NUSH, but before he enters NUSH
LJ has good support of his sec school, so how come it becomes MOE's failure I dont see. Yes he was not talent spotted early on but once his calibre was known , he has been provided with good support. -
ksi:
poor LJ....kena left and right
Precisely Sun! LJ is a good example of not having to go thru the pain of doing English the GEP way and yet getting a good support in other ways to pursue his passion. I thought he was a positive example of our education support system but somehow he has been construed and made to look as a negative example for GEP screening failure. *thud* :faint:Sun_2010:
LJ has good support of his sec school, so how come it becomes MOE's failure I dont see. Yes he was not talent spotted early on but once his calibre was known , he has been provided with good support. -
ruohoo97:
It is so interesting, the opposite sites quote the same example to support their arguments!
Precisely Sun! LJ is a good example of not having to go thru the pain of doing English the GEP way and yet getting a good support in other ways to pursue his passion. I thought he was a positive example of our education support system but somehow he has been construed and made to look as a negative example for GEP screening failure. *thud* :faint:ksi:
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LJ has good support of his sec school, so how come it becomes MOE's failure I dont see. Yes he was not talent spotted early on but once his calibre was known , he has been provided with good support.
[/quote]Rightly or wrongly... I had assumed that Lim Jeck owed his achievements to his parents. Why would the MOE claim credit for LJ's achievements in mainstream? In primary school, in a class of between 40 to 44, I doubt he was much better taught Math than others. In mainstream, would he have achieved what he did to get into NUSH WITHOUT mathematician parents?
When students do poorly in mainstream, it is the parents' fault. When students shine in mainstream, the system is robust?
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ruohoo97:
what so great about Da Vinci ? they are also being accused of fakes in China, land of the fakes...oh ya, may be, gifted in forgery ? or genuine copy / fake ?
Sadly, we don't have too many Da vinci today. I think our human being is de-evolution, instead evolution. :slapshead: -
verykiasu2010:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
what so great about Da Vinci ? they are also being accused of fakes in China, land of the fakes...oh ya, may be, gifted in forgery ? or genuine copy / fake ?ruohoo97:
Sadly, we don't have too many Da vinci today. I think our human being is de-evolution, instead evolution. :slapshead: -
cherryc:
Gep has started since 1984 ? And yet we have so little information like cost effective analysis from MOE.
I have met this person , at p1 he tried to discuss with me war strategies after reading tons of war books in K2. P3 got selected into GEP, PSLE top 5 in Spore, Sec 1 won individual awards in interschool sports competition , Upper sec top cohort in IP school for few subjects , spends his free time teaching friends who are weaker in studies. And in actual fact, he Didnt attend the GEP program because his parents opted him out . (the 501th kid must be thanking him for the spot) I have to read 2ppaamm posts to Finally understand where his parents are coming from. And like LJ, he doesn't need the program to flourish?
In the same vein as 2ppaamm , as long as there is fairness across the board , many people will be very grateful. Most if not all parents will like their poor kids to be stimulated. , to have more attention from the school to max their potential . And many kids are bored too ( maybe teachers boring ....)
And yes I likeSheldon Tan!!
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20100214-198663.html
Another mistaken point in red... there is no such thing dear.
Fairness across the board? If only 1% invited for the screening, then I would agree with you that it is unfair.
I agree with you that not being in GEP is no big deal. If we know our children best, we will groom them anyway.
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