Population woes

[limlim]

mommylow:

Many feel the contributing factor to the high density of population in SIN is the uncurbed influx of foreigners here. I concur to this thinking. FTs and FWs, we need them here but not to a full blown figure. Their contributions here have indeed brought SIN to greater height and we Singaporeans are grateful and appreciative of them. In everything we do, we must strike up a balance.

:goodpost:

[mamago]

lim72:

mamago:

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这是平民与老百姓的心声。 我们的苦，高尚的人是不会理解地。

自己的刀不够利, 却因此要求政府规定全人民不能用刀?

有时间应该用来思考如何磨利自己的刀，而不是禁止别人用！

@xfx
因为这些高尚的人刚来不久, 我们就大人有大量吧, 不和她计较。不要浪费力气对牛弹钢琴! 不写了。[/quote]
牛？多谢你的誇獎！牛勤奮，實幹，賣力，務實，任勞任怨，以力量換取三餐溫飽，牛可是不會抱怨主人給他的工作多或是時間長！埋頭黙黙耕耘，耕完田后，還讓主人舒舒服服的乘在其背上，把主人載回家去享用晚餐哪！你現在可悟出為什麼牛得主人疼？

牛少吃多勞力，反觀 X 多吃不勞動, 懶得用腦，目前的日子看起來是十分舒服，可是下塲堪憂，世上任何得失都要付出代價的呀！

Btw, the total amount of income taxes that I paid for the last so many years amounting to 1.5x resale 5 rooms HDB flat in Thiong Bahru in current resale market price hor.... well, 19 years to be exact... my little contribution surely helped the gov's budget for some folks to many awards/grants/schoolarships.... well, 施比受有褔，I am just so proud that I can contribute!

Cows do come home!  

[limlim]

wah… rich elite spotted…


but anyway, personally, I feel PRs with citizen spouse are not the same as whole family PRs (FT). I would regard PRs with citizen spouse as locals… but that’s my person view only.

[mamago]

limlim:

wah.. rich elite spotted..


but anyway, personally, I feel PRs with citizen spouse are not the same as whole family PRs (FT). I would regard PRs with citizen spouse as locals.. but that's my person view only.

At least this \"elite\" cow 還知民情，not living in the ivory tower....

[3Boys]

lim72:

mamago:

[quote=\"xfx\"]


这是平民与老百姓的心声。 我们的苦，高尚的人是不会理解地。

自己的刀不够利, 却因此要求政府规定全人民不能用刀?

有时间应该用来思考如何磨利自己的刀，而不是禁止别人用！

@xfx
因为这些高尚的人刚来不久, 我们就大人有大量吧, 不和她计较。不要浪费力气对牛弹钢琴! 不写了。[/quote]Sheesh! This type of behind your back, snide side-swipe is completely unbecoming. Can't win the argument so attack the character instead...

[Way2GO]

limlim:

ask that company to fo to the land that invents the invisible gun?

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa111/wealthmonster/invisblegun.jpg\">

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
wat incident was dis?
d policeman wasn't even looking at tgt but machiam like calefare posing for camera. :rotflmao:

[3Boys]

So, to all the arm-chair experts out there casting bricks at government policy, which is the greater culprit for property price rise. Easy credit and low interest rates, or population influx?


Suggest you check out the rise in landed property prices over the last 3 years, where there is minimal foreign participation.
<http://blog.iproperty.com.sg/landed-property-reserved-for-singaporeans/>

[limlim]

Way2GO:

limlim:

ask that company to fo to the land that invents the invisible gun?

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa111/wealthmonster/invisblegun.jpg\">

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
wat incident was dis?
d policeman wasn't even looking at tgt but machiam like calefare posing for camera. :rotflmao:

HK bus hostage.. that famous incident......

[Way2GO]

3Boys:

So, to all the arm-chair experts out there casting bricks at government policy, which is the greater culprit for property price rise. Easy credit and low interest rates, or population influx?


Suggest you check out the rise in landed property prices over the last 3 years, where there is minimal foreign participation.
<http://blog.iproperty.com.sg/landed-property-reserved-for-singaporeans/>

Whoa, since u put it dat way, I must first distance n disqualify myself as an arm-chair expert.
As an observer , d main culprits r both local n foreign property speculators n investors, aggravated by d gahmen's policy of accentuating FT influx, PR approvals n allowing foreigners to purchase certain landed property asset class eg Sentosa Cove in recent years.
Look at dis graph fr URA:
http://i49.tinypic.com/2nl688y.jpg\">
We hv always had comparative easy credit n low interest rates, but nvr d kinda price spike seen fr Q1 2009 which was also ard d time d floodgates were opened to more FT intake till it was scaled down after GE 2011.

[pirate]

limlim:

mamago:

If no FT/FW, many many many local SME will move to Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar... or fold!

The fittest survive, and the species will grow stronger and more resilient. Some SME will survive and grow stronger. They will invest in upgrading of Local workers to execute higher level function and/or operate high tech machinery.

SG will grow into highly efficient, high tech society with highly skilled workers. Necessity is the mother of success. Look at SAF again, for inspiration.

I have no issue with some SMEs having to relocate out of Singapore due to a reduction of FW quota. However, do bear in mind that these SMEs also employ SCs. When they relocate their operations, these SCs will lose their jobs.

I also have no issue if it causes the remaining SMEs to invest.

What I do have an issue with is the selective application of \"let the fittest survive, and the species will grow stronger and more resilient.\" Tighten the FT/FW quotas. So long as the locals in MNCs and large corporations can have less competition from foreigners, it doesn't matter if the SMEs have to move out and the locals there lose their jobs. This is what I refer to as the NIMBY symdrome. Because a lot of these noises are coming from PMEs in large corporations.

I have said before in other threads that if anything should be reduced, it should be the unskilled FWs. Their influx depresses low-end local wages.

But as I have also commented before, this is not what the people advocating tightening foreign labour want. They want a tightening of PMEs on higher level work passes and employment passes, while at the same time they want the ample supply of unskilled FWs to continue. Why? So they can continue to enjoy low prices at hawker centres, cheap maids, and low conservancy charges. They are educated and highly trained PMEs for goodness sake. They should be lean, mean and able to hold their own against foreign competition. So, how is this not the NIMBY syndrome?