Population woes
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pirate:
I believe CSM is better than some current ministers..limlim:
Again.. there is no dispute that the govt had been a very capable one. But whether the current govt is as capable as the 1G leaders..... I have my doubts.
Oh, I have my doubts too whether the current govt is as capable as the 1G leaders. But that is an irrelevant question. The relevant one is whether the current opposition is as capable as the current incumbents.
But you're free to disagree. -
limlim:
I regard pre-90s as 1G leaders.
Oh, I see. You mean GCT and TT.
:imsorry: Sorry lah. You left yourself wide open there. -
limlim:
I believe CSM is better than some current ministers..pirate:
[quote=\"limlim\"]Again.. there is no dispute that the govt had been a very capable one. But whether the current govt is as capable as the 1G leaders..... I have my doubts.
Oh, I have my doubts too whether the current govt is as capable as the 1G leaders. But that is an irrelevant question. The relevant one is whether the current opposition is as capable as the current incumbents.
But you're free to disagree.[/quote]Actually, I agree. But unfortunately one CSM is not enough to form a cabinet, even if you add LTK and SL. -
mum_sugoku:
Because there's no need for us to do so. We merely need to decide whether they are worth the millions of salaries that they made voters/taxpayers pay them.. At the ballot box.[/quote]Very good, now I know where you are coming from. I.e. I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions, difficult though they may be, I close my ears and refuse to listen to hard facts. The only thing that matters is that the politicians make me happy, or I vote against them. Right?
Ha ha, you just proved my point. Why bother with ministers, why don't you just make the decisions on their behalf?3Boys:
[quote=\"mum_sugoku\"]
And their decisions are?
\"We're gradually increasing our land area, and if we rebuild our older towns, then we can accommodate more people,\" !!!
No point discussing anything then, is there? -
limlim:
I believe CSM is better than some current ministers..pirate:
[quote=\"limlim\"]Again.. there is no dispute that the govt had been a very capable one. But whether the current govt is as capable as the 1G leaders..... I have my doubts.
Oh, I have my doubts too whether the current govt is as capable as the 1G leaders. But that is an irrelevant question. The relevant one is whether the current opposition is as capable as the current incumbents.
.[/quote]He is as well or better qualified, in theory. But so what? What do you understand about his policy specifics? -
3Boys:
No. We rely on them to find solutions. And if they couldn't, we'll have to find someone else who could.
Very good, now I know where you are coming from. I.e. I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions, difficult though they may be, I close my ears and refuse to listen to hard facts. The only thing that matters is that the politicians make me happy, or I vote against them. Right?
No point discussing anything then, is there?
Isn't that what election is for? -
3Boys:
No, lah 3Boys. Don't be like that lah. It's:Very good, now I know where you are coming from. I.e. I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions, difficult though they may be, I close my ears and refuse to listen to hard facts. The only thing that matters is that the politicians make me happy, or I vote against them. Right?
No point discussing anything then, is there?
I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions so long as their salaries are higher than mine. -
mum_sugoku:
Feel free to find someone else. When you or anyone else actually does, I may even vote for him.No. We rely on them to find solutions. And if they couldn't, we'll have to find someone else who could.
Isn't that what election is for? -
mum_sugoku:
Yes elections is how we choose those we think can lead us.
No. We rely on them to find solutions. And if they couldn't, we'll have to find someone else who could.3Boys:
Very good, now I know where you are coming from. I.e. I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions, difficult though they may be, I close my ears and refuse to listen to hard facts. The only thing that matters is that the politicians make me happy, or I vote against them. Right?
No point discussing anything then, is there?
Isn't that what election is for?
But is there is who is capable of doing it beter in the current options we have? In all honesty there isn't , IMHO.
And the fact govt seems to be going all out to gather people's opinion and genuineness needs and balance it with the realities of Singapore and the global environment . Constructive feedback is a great mechanism, but dissing is not. -
pirate:
So what's the purpose of our discussion here?
No, lah 3Boys. Don't be like that lah. It's:3Boys:
Very good, now I know where you are coming from. I.e. I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions, difficult though they may be, I close my ears and refuse to listen to hard facts. The only thing that matters is that the politicians make me happy, or I vote against them. Right?
No point discussing anything then, is there?
I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions so long as their salaries are higher than mine.
Are we not, in a way, work with them--by telling them the problem with their decision?
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