Population woes
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pirate:
It's tedious isn't it.
No, lah 3Boys. Don't be like that lah. It's:3Boys:
Very good, now I know where you are coming from. I.e. I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions, difficult though they may be, I close my ears and refuse to listen to hard facts. The only thing that matters is that the politicians make me happy, or I vote against them. Right?
No point discussing anything then, is there?
I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions so long as their salaries are higher than mine. -
mum_sugoku:
So what's the purpose of our discussion here?
No, lah 3Boys. Don't be like that lah. It's:pirate:
[quote=\"3Boys\"]Very good, now I know where you are coming from. I.e. I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions, difficult though they may be, I close my ears and refuse to listen to hard facts. The only thing that matters is that the politicians make me happy, or I vote against them. Right?
No point discussing anything then, is there?
I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions so long as their salaries are higher than mine.
Are we not, in a way, work with them--by telling them the problem with their decision?[/quote]They KNOW the problems with the solutions! But some problems we just have to accept, are you not willing to do that? -
3Boys:
:pokeeye: 3 boys giving my kids ideas iszit?
If your kid says I want to eat ice cream and play Nintendo everyday, would you agree? What if your kid then says they want to change parents because you do not bend to their will?
Wait :idea: that means I can choose my kids too ? :evil: -
mum_sugoku:
And this current govt has not been finding solutions? And when we find someone else and that someone also cannot find a solution, we change again and so forth. Wonder what will become of our country then.
No. We rely on them to find solutions. And if they couldn't, we'll have to find someone else who could.3Boys:
Very good, now I know where you are coming from. I.e. I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions, difficult though they may be, I close my ears and refuse to listen to hard facts. The only thing that matters is that the politicians make me happy, or I vote against them. Right?
No point discussing anything then, is there?
Isn't that what election is for?
Sometimes, in giving a solution to one issue, it may cause other problems to arise. I do not believe there is such a thing as a perfect solution, only the best possible fit. -
Sun_2010:
As the old saying goes, 'Choose your parents wisely....\"
:pokeeye: 3 boys giving my kids ideas iszit?3Boys:
If your kid says I want to eat ice cream and play Nintendo everyday, would you agree? What if your kid then says they want to change parents because you do not bend to their will?
Wait :idea: that means I can choose my kids too ? :evil:
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Sun_2010:
:rotflmao:
:pokeeye: 3 boys giving my kids ideas iszit?3Boys:
If your kid says I want to eat ice cream and play Nintendo everyday, would you agree? What if your kid then says they want to change parents because you do not bend to their will?
Wait :idea: that means I can choose my kids too ? :evil:
Choose children that understand I'm not a perfect parent , but despite the mistakes I make, I'm trying to do my best to provide a relatively comfortable and stable environment for them. -
pirate:
Compared to \"don't know what to say\", \"he's either in Singapore or left the country\"..... Yes.. GCT is better.. I feel..limlim:
I regard pre-90s as 1G leaders.
Oh, I see. You mean GCT and TT.
:imsorry: Sorry lah. You left yourself wide open there. -
3Boys:
The sad thing is that you don't even see the fallacy of your statement. The point of electing leaders is so that they can LEAD, I.e., put forth things that are necessary, but perhaps unpopular. What's the point of electing leaders that only do things that WE WANT them to do? That's not leadership.
No. We rely on them to find solutions. And if they couldn't, we'll have to find someone else who could.mum_sugoku:
[quote=\"3Boys\"]
Very good, now I know where you are coming from. I.e. I don't care what constraints we as a country are under, I am unwilling to work with our leaders to find solutions, difficult though they may be, I close my ears and refuse to listen to hard facts. The only thing that matters is that the politicians make me happy, or I vote against them. Right?
No point discussing anything then, is there?
Isn't that what election is for?
If your kid says I want to eat ice cream and play Nintendo everyday, would you agree? What if your kid then says they want to change parents because you do not bend to their will?
They HAVE solutions, you just don't want to accept it.
Geddit?[/quote]And the solution is? Keep growing the population until we cannot grow any further? And you accept such solution? -
Of coz leaders lead…
I’m just wondering how to justify extraordinary salary w/o extraordinary talent.
Many says what they’re doing now at growing the population to solve whatever problem with the side effect that many citizens are unhappy, is of no choice…
Well… fine enough… an ordinary person would have done that…
It takes an extra ordinary person to come up with something that pleases the majority of the population and solve the difficulties that the country is facing…
And that extra ordinary person has yet to appear.
But we’re seeing lots of extra ordinary salaries not seen in other countries… which accords it with "out of the ordinary" status… isn’t it? -
mum_sugoku:
It is only PART of the solution, for the reasons I have stated ad nauseum in this thread, for which I have tried to at least educate myself on the issues that we as a small country face economically and strategically. So I don't go off on an ignorant rant about population growth until I understand to a degree about what underpins it. And in my view a larger population base is necessary to give us some additional scale, to help our local industries.
And the solution is? Keep growing the population until we cannot grow any further? And you accept such solution?3Boys:
The sad thing is that you don't even see the fallacy of your statement. The point of electing leaders is so that they can LEAD, I.e., put forth things that are necessary, but perhaps unpopular. What's the point of electing leaders that only do things that WE WANT them to do? That's not leadership.
If your kid says I want to eat ice cream and play Nintendo everyday, would you agree? What if your kid then says they want to change parents because you do not bend to their will?
They HAVE solutions, you just don't want to accept it.
Geddit?
Is there a consequence of this, of course! Just like there is a consequence to not playing Nintendo, which is, no fun for that afternoon. BUT, there is a broader reason why we accept some pain.
So yes, I accept population growth for now up to a point where it becomes a challenge for infrastructure, because I understand why it needs to be done, that it is ONLY one part of a broader strategy, and I understand the pain and consequences, and what things are being done to mitigate. Of course the government knows the pain, we tell them about it every single day through various channels. Why don't they just do the popular thing and completely shut off the flow? Because it will kill our economy and our government don't do things just because they are popular. That's a great mark of leadership, don't you think?
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