[Tampines] Primary Schools
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hellomykp\" post_id=\"2075989\" time=\"1658729575\" user_id=\"174135:
Poi Ching has 17 applicants lesser in Phase 2B this year compared to last year. In the last 5 years, it has not required balloting in Phase 2B at all, and the Phase 2B status this year is actually quite normal for Poi Ching. There are fluctuations year on year; and I don't really see anything of concern for the school.
just noticed that the Vacancy of 2C for Poi ching is around 100+, but chongzheng & gongshang (ard 50) for this year.
seems like chongzheng & gongshang are much more popular than poi ching?
anyone know the reasons ? cause the total vacancy? -
hellomykp\" post_id=\"2075989\" time=\"1658729575\" user_id=\"174135:
I guess it depends on how you look at it, but I don't know that Chongzheng and Gongshang are more popular than Poi Ching.
just noticed that the Vacancy of 2C for Poi ching is around 100+, but chongzheng & gongshang (ard 50) for this year.
seems like chongzheng & gongshang are much more popular than poi ching?
anyone know the reasons ? cause the total vacancy?
Yes, Poi Ching has more seats available in 2C. This appears to be due to a) larger intake size (240 vs. 180 and 210) and b) a much lower uptake in 2A (alumni). I am not sure why the 2A participation is so low (if we are lucky, floppy will reply telling us why)? The school did relocate from Toa Payoh to Tampines in 2000 (low number of alumni that currently have primary 1 age kids or most are living in a different area?).
However, all three schools are well oversubscribed in 2C and Poi Ching actually has more applicants in 2B (maybe partly because there is more vacancy and don't need to risk ballot
).
At the end of the day, most (but not all) people in Tampines are within 1 km of one of these three or St Hilda's, and the standard operating procedure is to go ballot for one of them in 2C. For the people that are within 1 km of more than one of them, perhaps there is a slight preference? -
SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2076049\" time=\"1658758950\" user_id=\"188234:
:rotflmao:
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(if we are lucky, floppy will reply telling us why)
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I think it's not reasonable to gauge the popularity of a school by number of vacancies remaining alone. For example, many schools in Punggol has only 40 reserved places remaining for Phase 2C, do we really believe that they are more popular if they are relocated to Tampines to be with Poi Ching or Gongshang?
As highlighted by many, more learned friends such as yourself and Chief, there are many reasons why the number remaining is what we see. For a start, the size of the school's cohort is different. Poi Ching is a bigger school compared to the other two. However, this year, it didn't have as many Phase 1 intake compared to the other two (83 vs 89 and 91). If you consider Phase 2A as a proxy for popularity among PV and GRL (I doubt there are many applicants from the clan for Poi Ching as Singapore Futsing Association is not a big organisation), Poi Ching Phase 2A enrolment is comparable to Chongzheng (29 vs 32). Gongshang Phase 2A figures (59), on the other hand, is inflated due to *MK@Tampines.
At the end of the day, all three schools will be well oversubscribed in 2C. There will be more than a few musical chairs being played as people work out their best options among the four schools (the three plus St Hilda's). Expect to see ~100 SC < 1km for Poi Ching.
P/S: MK@Tampines has relocated and renamed to MK@Gongshang this year (2022). MK@Tampines used to operate under Blk 489C, Tampines Street 45. If my assumption is correct, MK@Gongshang should be larger (in size and intake) compared to MK@Tampines. Therefore, expect to see more Gongshang Phase 2A applicants next year. -
I am actually quite surprised to learn that Poi Ching has not required phase 2b balloting for the past 5y. Given that it is a SAP sch (I imagine all other SAP sch are really well demanded), I wonder why balloting is not required in phase 2b esp.since this year the 2b places are split 1/3 2/3 to phase 2c.
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Imp75\" post_id=\"2076180\" time=\"1658832895\" user_id=\"2358:
1. Don’t accept many PV.
I am actually quite surprised to learn that Poi Ching has not required phase 2b balloting for the past 5y. Given that it is a SAP sch (I imagine all other SAP sch are really well demanded), I wonder why balloting is not required in phase 2b esp.since this year the 2b places are split 1/3 2/3 to phase 2c.
2. Don’t have many GRL.
3. Clan is small-ish, not comparable to the churches or SHHK.
Poi Ching and RGPS are the two oddities where SAP / GEP schools are concerned. They are the only two that rarely ballot at Phase 2B albeit for different reasons.
Phase 2C is a different ballgame though. Poi Ching will attract > 100 applicant. -
floppy\" post_id=\"2076183\" time=\"1658833954\" user_id=\"97579:
For 2B, I think Hong Wen has been in the clear in recent years as well (i.e. no ballot). Similar to Poi Ching, 2C is < 1 km ballot.
1. Don’t accept many PV.
2. Don’t have many GRL.
3. Clan is small-ish, not comparable to the churches or SHHK.
Poi Ching and RGPS are the two oddities where SAP / GEP schools are concerned. They are the only two that rarely ballot at Phase 2B albeit for different reasons.
Phase 2C is a different ballgame though. Poi Ching will attract > 100 applicant. -
SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2076189\" time=\"1658838235\" user_id=\"188234:
Yea, forgot about that one. I think Hong Wen School case very similar to Poi Ching. Displaced from original site, don’t accept many PV, not many (youngish) GRL and small-ish clan.
For 2B, I think Hong Wen has been in the clear in recent years as well (i.e. no ballot). Similar to Poi Ching, 2C is < 1 km ballot. -
Chongzheng ended up with 54 spots available in 2C, a few more than most of us expected (40-50 range). Still, ended up balloting < 1 km. The record stands as:
a) Ballot < 1 km:
2018 = 47 spots
2020 = 33 spots
2021 = 30 spots
2022 = 54 spots
b) Ballot 1-2 km:
2016 = 64 spots
2017 = 72 spots
2019 = 69 spots
Poi Ching, St Hilda’s, and Gongshang are the other three balloting < 1 km (as usual).
Tampines Primary has 5 spots remaining for 2CS. Angsana is the next fewest at 31 spots available, which is quite a bit lower than prior years (likely due to new HDBs in the area and new building open for 2023 P1s). -
SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2077641\" time=\"1659875875\" user_id=\"188234:
Don't forget that this year, Phase 2C has 20 more places from Phase 2A. So marginally, it would have increased 54 - 20 - 30 = 4 places more that last year
Chongzheng ended up with 54 spots available in 2C, a few more than most of us expected (40-50 range). Still, ended up balloting < 1 km. The record stands as:
a) Ballot < 1 km:
2018 = 47 spots
2020 = 33 spots
2021 = 30 spots
2022 = 54 spots
b) Ballot 1-2 km:
2016 = 64 spots
2017 = 72 spots
2019 = 69 spots
Poi Ching, St Hilda's, and Gongshang are the other three balloting < 1 km (as usual).
Tampines Primary has 5 spots remaining for 2CS. Angsana is the next fewest at 31 spots available, which is quite a bit lower than prior years (likely due to new HDBs in the area and new building open for 2023 P1s).
It appears that there are a lot more schools balloting in Phase 2C <1km this year. Probably because many parents failed the earlier phases and had to try for Phase 2C. -
ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2077680\" time=\"1659934577\" user_id=\"3:
Chongzheng had 30 seats last year in 2C. It was given (or guaranteed) 10 more due to the rule change. The add'l 14 seats are a result of lower take up in 2B. I don't think it is correct to say the marginal change is 4 places. Regardless, the relevant information seems to be that at 54 seats it will still ballot < 1 km. This has narrowed the 1 km to 1-2 km range from 47-64 to 54-64.
Don't forget that this year, Phase 2C has 20 more places from Phase 2A. So marginally, it would have increased 54 - 20 - 30 = 4 places more that last year
It appears that there are a lot more schools balloting in Phase 2C <1km this year. Probably because many parents failed the earlier phases and had to try for Phase 2C.
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