TC’s computer & financial system

[Nebbermind]

zmonster1969:

The netizens' calls have been heeded. PM has directed MND to review the txn.


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1246729/1/.html

Have not read the details but naturally, he need to step in for some damage control and not continue to pretend that it's trivial, which is really what piss most voters off.

[raysusan]

http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/01/09/wp-files-motion-to-discuss-aim-issue-in-parliament-on-14-jan/


WP posted a note on its Facebook tonight (8 Jan) just before 10pm saying that it has filed an adjournment motion this afternoon for the next Parliamentary sitting on 14 Jan, titled “Safeguarding the Public Interest in Town Council Management”:



MPs file such motions when they want more time to tackle a particular topic. During the 90-minute long question time, the Speaker decides which and how many supplementary questions to allow.

An adjournment motion – which takes place at the end of a day’s sitting – allows a member to speak for 20 minutes.

Meanwhile, on the same day, PM Lee announced that he had asked the Ministry of National Development (MND) to review the computer system transaction between PAP town councils and the company Action Information Management

[concern2]

raysusan:

MPs file such motions when they want more time to tackle a particular topic. During the 90-minute long question time, the Speaker decides which and how many supplementary questions to allow.

Will be Mr. Charles Chong's first time as Speaker of Parliament, yes? Let's see how 'balanced' he is

[concern2]

Joule:

for the by election

perhaps the public may want to know WHO owns the plywood, poster-printing and poster-hanging companies = )

last I heard, they ordering plywood already

I thot they also use plywood for setting up pasa malam?

[pirate]

Nebbermind:

Have not read the details but naturally, he need to step in for some damage control and not continue to pretend that it's trivial, which is really what piss most voters off.

I agree. What upset me was the absence of transparency and the subsequent attempt to trivialise it, which frankly made things worse. If it had been disclosed in the annual reports of the TCs that such an agreement with a PAP owned company existed, I would have been satisfied to leave it as that. The voters in that constituency can decide for themselves, and I suspect many actually do not care.

The PAP should realize that members of Generation X, and subsequent generations, grew up and were educated here after 1965. We had been (on the whole) brought up by the education system put in place by the PAP to believe that integrity, good governance and transparency are to be expected from our public officials. And the demographics shift more towards this every year. This is the new middle ground.

Many of us may not necessarily disagree with much of the PAP's policies. We are not natural opposition supporters or even voters. However, things like this really piss us off. It makes us think whether they ought to be reminded occasionally of the values we had been brought up on and expect of our government, even if we have to pay an immediate economic price for that for the longer term good of our country.

I would have thought that was pretty obvious from the results of the last Presidential Election.

[pirate]

Joule:

perhaps the public may want to know WHO owns the plywood, poster-printing and poster-hanging companies = )


last I heard, they ordering plywood already

So long as it is not paid for with public money, I don't care. Why should I care who the PAP gets their plywood and posters from?

[concern2]

raysusan:

zmonster1969:

The netizens' calls have been heeded. PM has directed MND to review the txn.


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1246729/1/.html

Review only. Not investigate.
Maybe nothing is going to happen.
More like 唱大戏共欣赏

Hmm.....I suppose this would lower the noise level temporarily in case more blunders are made, and before the battle begins in a few days' time.

[concern2]

pirate:

Joule:

perhaps the public may want to know WHO owns the plywood, poster-printing and poster-hanging companies = )


last I heard, they ordering plywood already

So long as it is not paid for with public money, I don't care. Why should I care who the PAP gets their plywood and posters from?

Uh......Must the plywood, posters etc. be ordered from an assigned supplier? Meaning even oppositions need to go to the same supplier? Or do they use their own sources? Just curious..

[concern2]

pirate:

Joule:

perhaps the public may want to know WHO owns the plywood, poster-printing and poster-hanging companies = )


last I heard, they ordering plywood already

So long as it is not paid for with public money, I don't care. Why should I care who the PAP gets their plywood and posters from?

Uh......Must the plywood, posters etc. be ordered from an assigned supplier? Meaning even oppositions need to go to the same supplier? Or do they use their own sources? Just curious..

[3Boys]

pirate:

Nebbermind:

Have not read the details but naturally, he need to step in for some damage control and not continue to pretend that it's trivial, which is really what piss most voters off.

I agree. What upset me was the absence of transparency and the subsequent attempt to trivialise it, which frankly made things worse. If it had been disclosed in the annual reports of the TCs that such an agreement with a PAP owned company existed, I would have been satisfied to leave it as that. The voters in that constituency can decide for themselves, and I suspect many actually do not care.

The PAP should realize that members of Generation X, and subsequent generations, grew up and were educated here after 1965. We had been (on the whole) brought up by the education system put in place by the PAP to believe that integrity, good governance and transparency are to be expected from our public officials. And the demographics shift more towards this every year. This is the new middle ground.

Many of us may not necessarily disagree with much of the PAP's policies. We are not natural opposition supporters or even voters. However, things like this really piss us off. It makes us think whether they ought to be reminded occasionally of the values we had been brought up on and expect of our government, even if we have to pay an immediate economic price for that for the longer term good of our country.

I would have thought that was pretty obvious from the results of the last Presidential Election.

Where things are clear-cut and 'uncontroversial' (i.e. Michael Palmer), then they have always been very quick to act. When dealt with expeditiously and firmly, the whole issue peters out.....

In this case, I believe the omens do not bode well for the MIW.

It's not whether or not they were trying to cover up. I think they would prefer not to.

But it calls into question the whole ETHOS of how the MIW embed themselves in the governing of Singapore.

Town Council is one thing. How about People's Association? How about PAP Community Foundation?

It's like the People's Liberation Army in China. It technically reports to the Communist Party, not the state.

This state of mind and being is much much harder to reconcile in the new world, which is why they have taken so long, which so much scrutiny, before something is being done.

Not sure how this will go honestly. The PAP, IMO, is not stalling for the sake of stalling. It's a matter of their entire ethos of being enveloped in the running of the country, and I think they are still trying to work that out.