TC’s computer & financial system
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Strangely, they seemed to be loading her even though she is already into her late 50s. Not to cast doubts into her competency but rather can see that it’s an indication that PAP is finding it hard to ‘renew’.
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concern2:
They are very uncomfortable with accusations of conflicts-of-interest, which there are, in many many aspects of public life. Their defence, over the years, has been a stout defence that it's not so much processes and institutions that protect against abuse of conflicts-of-interests, but rather, having the right people in place NOT to abuse it.
Interesting indeed, the way you've put it.3Boys:
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But it calls into question the whole ETHOS of how the MIW embed themselves in the governing of Singapore.
Town Council is one thing. How about People's Association? How about PAP Community Foundation?
It's like the People's Liberation Army in China. It technically reports to the Communist Party, not the state.
This state of mind and being is much much harder to reconcile in the new world, which is why they have taken so long, which so much scrutiny, before something is being done.
Not sure how this will go honestly. The PAP, IMO, is not stalling for the sake of stalling. It's a matter of their entire ethos of being enveloped in the running of the country, and I think they are still trying to work that out.
Hence my prior example of Mdm Ho Ching. We are (well, some are) comfortable with her appointment, but why?
It is also the reason why I refuse to be hard on the MIW in this instance.
People take it at face value that they are trying to obfuscate the AIM issue. It's not so much that, IMO, than trying to stay true to a political philosophy that is at odds with the current environment. -
3Boys:
In fairness, this AIM thing was done before GE2011. I don't think the PAP read the ground that well before GE2011.In this case, I believe the omens do not bode well for the MIW.
It's not whether or not they were trying to cover up. I think they would prefer not to.
But it calls into question the whole ETHOS of how the MIW embed themselves in the governing of Singapore.
Town Council is one thing. How about People's Association? How about PAP Community Foundation?
It's like the People's Liberation Army in China. It technically reports to the Communist Party, not the state.
This state of mind and being is much much harder to reconcile in the new world, which is why they have taken so long, which so much scrutiny, before something is being done.
Not sure how this will go honestly. The PAP, IMO, is not stalling for the sake of stalling. It's a matter of their entire ethos of being enveloped in the running of the country, and I think they are still trying to work that out.
As for PA, PAP Community Foundation etc, at least the voters have an inkling what they are about, and we have our expectations of these organisations. AIM was something else. I have read a few of the published town council annual reports and financial statements. So far, I have not seen one that disclosed the existence of a contract with an entity owned by the PAP. If there was disclosure in the annual reports, I don't think the blowback would have been so big. No doubt it would still have been an election issue, but the middle ground would not have been so POed.
It leads one to question whether there are any more such gems hidden around somewhere else. If there are, the PAP better deal with them quickly and decisively, because even the middle ground is asking.
The PAP can play politics if they must. It is politics. It is expected. But do it openly. By now, the PAP has already taught at least 2 generations of Singaporeans to expect transparency and good governance. Surely they should not expect these 'children' of theirs to demand anything less? Just because I give you the occasional blank cheque does not mean that I do not want to look at the bank statement to see what you have done with it. -
3Boys:
I may or may not be comfortable with the example of Mdm Ho Ching. However, I can live with it, because it is open. I know whose wife Mdm Ho Ching is, and I know what position she was appointed to and by whom.They are very uncomfortable with accusations of conflicts-of-interest, which there are, in many many aspects of public life. Their defence, over the years, has been a stout defence that it's not so much processes and institutions that protect against abuse of conflicts-of-interests, but rather, having the right people in place NOT to abuse it.
Hence my prior example of Mdm Ho Ching. We are (well, some are) comfortable with her appointment, but why?
It is also the reason why I refuse to be hard on the MIW in this instance.
As I have said, AIM is however something else.
I can live with some conflicts of interest. But the least I require is that the conflict of interest is disclosed so that I can decide whether I can live with it. -
concern2:
She's quite a safe bet. Generally well-liked ,known to be sincere and speaking up on issues pertaining to the lower-income group. No controversies so far, unlike another gracefu.l MP or JT.Halimah to be nominated as next Speaker of Parliament
(source: http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130109-394207.html)
Safer to engage a woman?
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pirate:
pirate, I think you are splitting hairs. The MIW have never denied that AIM was owned by the party. WP was in no doubt either, so why the issue now?
I may or may not be comfortable with the example of Mdm Ho Ching. However, I can live with it, because it is open. I know whose wife Mdm Ho Ching is, and I know what position she was appointed to and by whom.3Boys:
They are very uncomfortable with accusations of conflicts-of-interest, which there are, in many many aspects of public life. Their defence, over the years, has been a stout defence that it's not so much processes and institutions that protect against abuse of conflicts-of-interests, but rather, having the right people in place NOT to abuse it.
Hence my prior example of Mdm Ho Ching. We are (well, some are) comfortable with her appointment, but why?
It is also the reason why I refuse to be hard on the MIW in this instance.
As I have said, AIM is however something else.
I can live with some conflicts of interest. But the least I require is that the conflict of interest is disclosed so that I can decide whether I can live with it.
If you are arguing that the MIW did not make a big public announcement through the press at the point of appointing AIM to manage the TC's software (in the name of transparency), then I think the expectation is not reasonable. -
Lilac66:
I'd be very sad if the main criteria for appointment to public office were that the office holders held their tongue and did not offend (parts of) the public.
She's quite a safe bet. Generally well-liked ,known to be sincere and speaking up on issues pertaining to the lower-income group. No controversies so far, unlike another gracefu.l MP or JT.concern2:
Halimah to be nominated as next Speaker of Parliament
(source: http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130109-394207.html)
Safer to engage a woman?
Are limp-wristed leaders what we want?
I fully agree with GF and JT on the 'controversies' they waded into recently. They have the right to speak and by speaking does not diminish their standing. -
3Boys:
I'd be very sad if the main criteria for appointment to public office were that the office holders held their tongue and did not offend (parts of) the public.
She's quite a safe bet. Generally well-liked ,known to be sincere and speaking up on issues pertaining to the lower-income group. No controversies so far, unlike another gracefu.l MP or JT.Lilac66:
[quote=\"concern2\"]Halimah to be nominated as next Speaker of Parliament
(source: http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130109-394207.html)
Safer to engage a woman?
Are limp-wristed leaders what we want?
I fully agree with GF and JT on the 'controversies' they waded into recently. They have the right to speak and by speaking does not diminish their standing.[/quote]3Boys, I don't mean it that way. I've never seen her as \"limp-wristed\" also (some other MPs as well), if my memory serves me right, she did speak up when the occasion calls for it, imho.
The quality I see in her is her ability to tread on issues with care w/o stepping on unnecessary land mines. I would not want a yes-man for the Speaker role too,that's why I'm eager to see how she handles the session when thed debate on this AIM issue starts. Definitely want to see impartiality when she's in her role.
just my feelings lor.. -
Lilac66:
3Boys, I don't mean it that way. I've never seen her as \"limp-wristed\" also (some other MPs as well), if my memory serves me right, she did speak up when the occasion calls for it, imho.
I'd be very sad if the main criteria for appointment to public office were that the office holders held their tongue and did not offend (parts of) the public.3Boys:
[quote=\"Lilac66\"]
She's quite a safe bet. Generally well-liked ,known to be sincere and speaking up on issues pertaining to the lower-income group. No controversies so far, unlike another gracefu.l MP or JT.
Are limp-wristed leaders what we want?
I fully agree with GF and JT on the 'controversies' they waded into recently. They have the right to speak and by speaking does not diminish their standing.
The quality I see in her is her ability to tread on issues with care w/o stepping on unnecessary land mines. I would not want a yes-man for the Speaker role too,that's why I'm eager to see how she handles the session when thed debate on this AIM issue starts. Definitely want to see impartiality when she's in her role.
just my feelings lor..[/quote]Agree.
I have no qualms with this lady getting the house speaker’s job because to me she’s less of a politician and more of someone who dutifully wants to serve the public, in the same vein as Richard Hu, Lee Bee Wah, TCB and, to a lesser extent, Tony Tan. These people rarely, if ever, speak ills of their opposition but are more focus in serving. Moreover, this lady has a humble background and truly knows how’s like to be in the bottom tier of the society.
No doubt a house speaker’s job differs from that of a public servant. But with her honest and humble disposition, she will fit in well ihmo. To be honest, she probably has been earmarked for greater role when she was one of the few chosen to speak at last year’s National Day. For sure, you’ll not see any infraction from her. -
Rational_Parent:
Wah, didn't know about all these. I wonder if she could be the one GCT had in mind when he was answering reporters during the PE about there being possibilities of a female President to come...
Agree.Lilac66:
The quality I see in her is her ability to tread on issues with care w/o stepping on unnecessary land mines. I would not want a yes-man for the Speaker role too,that's why I'm eager to see how she handles the session when thed debate on this AIM issue starts. Definitely want to see impartiality when she's in her role.
just my feelings lor..
I have no qualms with this lady getting the house speaker’s job because to me she’s less of a politician and more of someone who dutifully wants to serve the public, in the same vein as Richard Hu, Lee Bee Wah, TCB and, to a lesser extent, Tony Tan. These people rarely, if ever, speak ills of their opposition but are more focus in serving. Moreover, this lady has a humble background and truly knows how’s like to be in the bottom tier of the society.
No doubt a house speaker’s job differs from that of a public servant. But with her honest and humble disposition, she will fit in well ihmo. To be honest, she probably has been earmarked for greater role when she was one of the few chosen to speak at last year’s National Day. For sure, you’ll not see any infraction from her.
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