Catholic High School
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wchong78\" post_id=\"2045371\" time=\"1636333184\" user_id=\"80256:
Just thinking out loud, Acsi affiliation 13, cat high affiliation 12, cchy 11.zac's mum\" post_id=\"2045374\" time=\"1636333811\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2045374 time=1636333811 user_id=53606]Whereas at CHS/ACSI, the affiliates at 13 could possibly mean he may have to “suffer” patience waiting for them to keep pace with the lessons.
If acsi and cathigh are not hitting their 20% with students from their pri schools and not every affiliated student is only coming in at the AMR, this could mean the absolute number of 12 and 13s is not large.
Considering that cchy has 4 express classes (1E 1F 1G 1H), with a range of 6-11, for all we know, the 6s and 7s are only a handful and the majority are the 10s and 11s. (Median scores can no longer be found on MOE website) Sec 3 subject combinations will then reflect the cohort calibre, eg they offer POA for their express classes, it seems like the only full Humanities subject is Lit, and most of them will have only 1H in their L1R5 since POA etc are O subjects and not H subjects. -
MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2045391\" time=\"1636343469\" user_id=\"2964:
...Considering that cchy has 4 express classes (1E 1F 1G 1H)... Sec 3 subject combinations will then reflect the cohort calibre, eg they offer POA for their express classes, it seems like the only full Humanities subject is Lit, and most of them will have only 1H in their L1R5 since POA etc are O subjects and not H subjects...
OT:
Sorry to barge in, wchong78... But I'd think along the line of MiG's (if I'd understood correctly). That is, working backwards from S3 subject combinations -
MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2045391\" time=\"1636343469\" user_id=\"2964:
Your analysis of CCHY seems quite sound.wchong78\" post_id=\"2045371\" time=\"1636333184\" user_id=\"80256:
If thinking future affiliated JC as consideration for the 2 points as you suggest, should we seriously consider Chung Cheng Yishun (COP at AL11) which affiliated with NYJC?
And the distance is nearest from Woodlands!
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2045374\" time=\"1636333811\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2045374 time=1636333811 user_id=53606]Whereas at CHS/ACSI, the affiliates at 13 could possibly mean he may have to “suffer” patience waiting for them to keep pace with the lessons.
Just thinking out loud, Acsi affiliation 13, cat high affiliation 12, cchy 11.
If acsi and cathigh are not hitting their 20% with students from their pri schools and not every affiliated student is only coming in at the AMR, this could mean the absolute number of 12 and 13s is not large.
Considering that cchy has 4 express classes (1E 1F 1G 1H), with a range of 6-11, for all we know, the 6s and 7s are only a handful and the majority are the 10s and 11s. (Median scores can no longer be found on MOE website) Sec 3 subject combinations will then reflect the cohort calibre, eg they offer POA for their express classes, it seems like the only full Humanities subject is Lit, and most of them will have only 1H in their L1R5 since POA etc are O subjects and not H subjects.[/quote]
Regarding ACSI (not CHS as that’s probably a different kettle of fish where the IP and OP line is more blurred) I just wanted to point out that the affiliates are more likely to span the whole range from 7-13. The choice is quite clear for them: if score 4-7, choose IP (IB). If score 7-13, choose OP. And if score >13, choose ACS BR. -
Thanks all for replying on the potentially where AL9 may fit into the classes for different school.
Well, my question remains on which school that AL9 stands better chance with non-affiliation for OP? CHS or ACSI?
While I tried to search some past KSP post, I read somewhere saying that for CHS OP, typically, the affiliated CHPS will not fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set.
Not sure about ACSI OP case?
Anyone have some insights whether majority of their OP students are from the 2 affiliated AC primary schools?
Will the 2 primary schools typically, fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set?
As choice order is important, I pretty much want to know which one stands higher chance for non-affiliated student?
Thanks! -
wchong78\" post_id=\"2045865\" time=\"1636614806\" user_id=\"80256:
Both are highly popular! I think you stand a better chance w CHS though, because higher Chinese. Just my opinion.
Thanks all for replying on the potentially where AL9 may fit into the classes for different school.
Well, my question remains on which school that AL9 stands better chance with non-affiliation for OP? CHS or ACSI?
While I tried to search some past KSP post, I read somewhere saying that for CHS OP, typically, the affiliated CHPS will not fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set.
Not sure about ACSI OP case?
Anyone have some insights whether majority of their OP students are from the 2 affiliated AC primary schools?
Will the 2 primary schools typically, fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set?
As choice order is important, I pretty much want to know which one stands higher chance for non-affiliated student?
Thanks! -
wchong78\" post_id=\"2045865\" time=\"1636614806\" user_id=\"80256:
Unfortunately your question cannot be answered. Even if we know how many non-affiliated vacancies exist, the odds depend on a) how many people apply at AL9 and b) how many people apply with scores better than AL9.
Thanks all for replying on the potentially where AL9 may fit into the classes for different school.
Well, my question remains on which school that AL9 stands better chance with non-affiliation for OP? CHS or ACSI?
While I tried to search some past KSP post, I read somewhere saying that for CHS OP, typically, the affiliated CHPS will not fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set.
Not sure about ACSI OP case?
Anyone have some insights whether majority of their OP students are from the 2 affiliated AC primary schools?
Will the 2 primary schools typically, fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set?
As choice order is important, I pretty much want to know which one stands higher chance for non-affiliated student?
Thanks!
And if everyone flocks to the school with the greater number of assumed vacancies then the odds will be worse than expected. -
wchong78\" post_id=\"2045865\" time=\"1636614806\" user_id=\"80256:
From previous years, I believe CHS did not hit 80%, ACSI also did not hit 80%.
Thanks all for replying on the potentially where AL9 may fit into the classes for different school.
Well, my question remains on which school that AL9 stands better chance with non-affiliation for OP? CHS or ACSI?
While I tried to search some past KSP post, I read somewhere saying that for CHS OP, typically, the affiliated CHPS will not fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set.
Not sure about ACSI OP case?
Anyone have some insights whether majority of their OP students are from the 2 affiliated AC primary schools?
Will the 2 primary schools typically, fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set?
As choice order is important, I pretty much want to know which one stands higher chance for non-affiliated student?
Thanks!
Most sec schools do not hit 20%. This means you should find more than 80% of vacancies available for students from other primary schools.
From a “feeling” point of view (i have no stats and no proof), there seems to be more acs boys in acsi o levels, than cat high boys in cat high o levels. Afterall, the pool of students with affiliation is bigger at acs than at chs. Esp also, last time, the affiliation cut off for acsi was 235 and for cat high it was 240. I understand t score is history, I just want to point out why there could be more acs in acsi O than cat high in cat high O. It was simply harder to stay at chs.
But I guess no one as the answer because this is the first AL year, some of the students from ps, js, and cat high primary, may decide to take less risk. -
MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2045877\" time=\"1636616633\" user_id=\"2964:
Actually you brought up the point. The COP for ACSI affiliated is at AL13 vs CHS at AL12, so even in the new system, COP for ACSI is still lower, not to mention there are 2 affiliated Primary Schools vs 1 for CHS.
From previous years, I believe CHS did not hit 80%, ACSI also did not hit 80%.
Most sec schools do not hit 20%. This means you should find more than 80% of vacancies available for students from other primary schools.
From a “feeling” point of view (i have no stats and no proof), there seems to be more acs boys in acsi o levels, than cat high boys in cat high o levels. Afterall, the pool of students with affiliation is bigger at acs than at chs. Esp also, last time, the affiliation cut off for acsi was 235 and for cat high it was 240. I understand t score is history, I just want to point out why there could be more acs in acsi O than cat high in cat high O. It was simply harder to stay at chs.
But I guess no one as the answer because this is the first AL year, some of the students from ps, js, and cat high primary, may decide to take less risk.
Well, I guess what few of you mentioned is right, this indicator cannot tell which school has higher chance..
Let's see the final result in 2 weeks time. cheers! -
MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2045877\" time=\"1636616633\" user_id=\"2964:
1. The percentage reserved for non-affiliates is 20% (not 80%).
From previous years, I believe CHS did not hit 80%, ACSI also did not hit 80%.wchong78\" post_id=\"2045865\" time=\"1636614806\" user_id=\"80256:
Thanks all for replying on the potentially where AL9 may fit into the classes for different school.
Well, my question remains on which school that AL9 stands better chance with non-affiliation for OP? CHS or ACSI?
While I tried to search some past KSP post, I read somewhere saying that for CHS OP, typically, the affiliated CHPS will not fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set.
Not sure about ACSI OP case?
Anyone have some insights whether majority of their OP students are from the 2 affiliated AC primary schools?
Will the 2 primary schools typically, fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set?
As choice order is important, I pretty much want to know which one stands higher chance for non-affiliated student?
Thanks!
Most sec schools do not hit 20%. This means you should find more than 80% of vacancies available for students from other primary schools.
From a “feeling” point of view (i have no stats and no proof), there seems to be more acs boys in acsi o levels, than cat high boys in cat high o levels. Afterall, the pool of students with affiliation is bigger at acs than at chs. Esp also, last time, the affiliation cut off for acsi was 235 and for cat high it was 240. I understand t score is history, I just want to point out why there could be more acs in acsi O than cat high in cat high O. It was simply harder to stay at chs.
But I guess no one as the answer because this is the first AL year, some of the students from ps, js, and cat high primary, may decide to take less risk.
- however I believe in CHS, the remaining 80% of vacancies is not fully taken up by affiliates, reason being not all can meet 240 (now 12).
- I’m not sure what happens to the unfilled places. Are they thrown open to non-affiliates beyond the 20%? I think so. But this does not change the simulated COP of 9M.
- for ACSI, the intake size is smaller, so more likely that the affiliates from the 2 primary schools (yes I agree, bigger pool) fill closer to 80% than what CHS affiliates fill. Again, whatever extra number of unfilled places thrown open to public will not change the simulated COP of 9.
2. I don’t really understand the part about the affiliates may decide to take less risk.
- to utilize affiliation priority, the affiliates must put the affiliated school(s) as first choice. So a Cat High primary student scoring at the boundary of 12 will still put CHS as first choice and ballot. Which other better school could he put as first choice? For ACSP/J student scoring 13, similarly no risk to put ACSI as first choice & ballot. The 2nd choice will be the other affiliated school ACS Br (priority still valid even if balloted out from ACSI). Which other school would give less risk for a 13? All other similar Christian schools (PHS, KCPSS) are COP 12-13 also, unless choose GMSS as first choice (15), or Christ Church Secondary (19).
- do u mean Cat high primary those who score far better than 12 but close to RI’s COP may decide to take less risk and go back to CHS instead? That makes more sense. Probably a handful of top scorers this year may give up RI as first choice & pick CHS as first choice. That could lessen the CHS vacancies slightly. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2045899\" time=\"1636619756\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2045899 time=1636619756 user_id=53606]
Not the group that score far better than AL-12. They could have put ri - chsIP then. Even if they decide not to go for RI, and go for CHS IP now, it would become chs-ip first choice, and this has no effect on the O level vacancies.
2. I don’t really understand the part about the affiliates may decide to take less risk.
- do u mean Cat high primary those who score far better than 12 but close to RI’s COP may decide to take less risk and go back to CHS instead? That makes more sense. Probably a handful of top scorers this year may give up RI as first choice & pick CHS as first choice. That could lessen the CHS vacancies slightly.[/quote]
I mean, the group that scored between 240 and 253, eg a 251+1, could have tried for VS IP in previous years because he didnt like HCL. He could have put 1.VSIP-cop252 (since posting is by merit, no harm trying even though it is 1 pt off) and then 2.CHSO-cop-nonAff-250 (he thinks it is safe since he has 252). But he may stay put now at CHS O. [pls translate all the t scores to AL as I dont know how to put my thoughts in AL format]
Oh well, anything is a possibility
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