Secondary 2 Streaming
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Thanks for the advice I will let my child know . Hopefully she can get her A2 by year end.
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My son is in Sec 1 in HCI. Can you tell me about his options when it comes to Sec 2 streaming?
Where can I find this information online? There does not seem to have this information on the HCI official webpage. -
I know different schools set different criteria for sec 2 streaming (it’s not regulated by MOE). But someone please tell me it’s not uncommon to have this in Express track:
Students will be ranked on their total score of all 12 subjects:
1. English
2. Mother tongue
3. Math
4. Science
5. History
6. Geography
7. Literature
8. Art
9. Music
10. PE (including Napfa results)
11. FCE
12. D&T
Furthermore, math & science are doubly-weighted aka doubly-counted in the overall total.
Meaning:
13. Math
14. Science -
Not true.
At end of Sec 2, Secondary schools only take in consideration or factor in those subjects that formulate your L1R5 (O level). In other words, those non core Sec 2 subjects like PE, Art, Music, FCE, D&T, usually, these are out ! Not factored in.
So, what then are your "CORE" Sec 2 subjects identified, being taken into consideration, for end of Sec 2 streaming, into choosing (selecting) your Sec 3 subject combination ?
Of course, will definitely include your
1) two basic languages:
English + Mother tongue.
2) your (Maths & Science), obviously, without any doubt.
3) your Humanities.
That is your Sec 2 (Literature + History + Geography)
At this point in time, now that u have already reached the end of Sec 2, u got to decide for yourself :-
Amongst these 3 subjects (History, Geography and Literature), which one
- do I have more interest, in ?
- do I tend to do better, or analyse & understand, better in ?
- do I have a natural flair (strength) in or towards ?
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Next question, then arises -
Over & above those essential core subjects named & factored in above,
then,
under what unusual situation(s) or circumstances, will they consider your end of Sec 2 grades in
(Art / Music / PE / Design & Technology ) ?
They will come in handy & useful, if you (an end of Sec 2 student) decide to take up certain specialized O level subjects domain, that are related to Art, PE, Music or Design & Technology. Yes, indeed, there are such specialized O level subjects available, at the National O level exam. If you were to look under the umbrella of all the O level subjects to be sat for each year (batch), these unusual subjects are all there.
And Yes, there are minority students taking such specialized subjects, though not many. -
Daddy with one son\" post_id=\"2112179\" time=\"1688359804\" user_id=\"102861:[quote=\"Daddy with one son\" post_id=2112179 time=1688359804 user_id=102861]
Definitely,
My son is in Sec 1 in HCI. Can you tell me about his options when it comes to Sec 2 streaming?
Where can I find this information online? There does not seem to have this information on the HCI official webpage.[/quote]
your Hwa Chong Secondary school Vice Principal and Heads of Department will brief all students seated inside the school hall or Auditorium, when they come to Sec 2 (Year 2), beginning of the year in January, about what to expect, when come to year end streaming, into Sec 3 (or year 3).
When the time is ripe for students to be briefed, your Hwa Chong VP will definitely brief them. -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2133940\" time=\"1715836538\" user_id=\"35251:
Yes this is how i understand many schools do it, ie if want to take A maths, need min A1-2 for lower sec maths, if want to take pure science, need min A1-2 for lower sec science. For low to mid-tier schools.
Not true.
At end of Sec 2, Secondary schools only take in consideration or factor in those subjects that formulate your L1R5 (O level). In other words, those non core Sec 2 subjects like PE, Art, Music, FCE, D&T, usually, these are out ! Not factored in.
So, what then are your \"CORE\" Sec 2 subjects identified, being taken into consideration, for end of Sec 2 streaming, into choosing (selecting) your Sec 3 subject combination ?
Of course, will definitely include your
1) two basic languages:
English + Mother tongue.
2) your (Maths & Science), obviously, without any doubt.
3) your Humanities.
That is your Sec 2 (Literature + History + Geography)
At this point in time, now that u have already reached the end of Sec 2, u got to decide for yourself :-
Amongst these 3 subjects (History, Geography and Literature), which one
- do I have more interest, in ?
- do I tend to do better, or analyse & understand, better in ?
- do I have a natural flair (strength) in or towards ?
========================
Next question, then arises -
Over & above those essential core subjects named & factored in above,
then,
under what unusual situation(s) or circumstances, will they consider your end of Sec 2 grades in
(Art / Music / PE / Design & Technology ) ?
They will come in handy & useful, if you (an end of Sec 2 student) decide to take up certain specialized O level subjects domain, that are related to Art, PE, Music or Design & Technology. Yes, indeed, there are such specialized O level subjects available, at the National O level exam. If you were to look under the umbrella of all the O level subjects to be sat for each year (batch), these unusual subjects are all there.
And Yes, there are minority students taking such specialized subjects, though not many.
But my above posted 12 subject criteria is set by my son’s school. Just wondering how uncommon it is.
(For higher tier Express schools, i understand that A math and pure science are the default and compulsory.) -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2133939\" time=\"1715835078\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2133939 time=1715835078 user_id=53606]
Based on personal & friends' sharing over the decade, it is quite common for schools to look at overall results in sec 2. Some schools excluded music & PE (letter grade instead of marks in lower sec) as they do not offer them as an Olevels subjects.
I know different schools set different criteria for sec 2 streaming (it’s not regulated by MOE). But someone please tell me it’s not uncommon to have this in Express track:
Students will be ranked on their total score of all 12 subjects:
1. English
2. Mother tongue
3. Math
4. Science
5. History
6. Geography
7. Literature
8. Art
9. Music
10. PE (including Napfa results)
11. FCE
12. D&T
Furthermore, math & science are doubly-weighted aka doubly-counted in the overall total.
Meaning:
13. Math
14. Science[/quote]
Most will set minimum criteria to take up certain subjects so my guess is that this particular school is trying to assign a ranking score by giving double weightage to maths & sci instead of a 2-step evaluation for each affected subject.
Perhaps you would like to check w the school or senior parents in that school whether it is something new (then more room for negotiation) or has it been this way all along?
Usually I would suggest to find out more about sec 3 subject combination during sec sch open houses. We were disappointed previously when the school was unable to open a class for my child's favorite (& somewhat critical to his post sec ed in terms of portfolio) subject due to lack of interested students in his stream that year & had to compromise ourselves to fit into the school's \"combo menu\", taking an \"irrelevant\" subject.
At least we had tried our best to do our due diligence.
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Vevey\" post_id=\"2134167\" time=\"1716433434\" user_id=\"1350:
Our school has just changed a new principal this year, so i dunno if this 12-subject calculation is new. In any case, this system seems to benefit my child because he is quite an all-rounder in the 12 subjects (none too terrible), and also he doesn’t meet what other schools set eg min A2 to take A maths and pure sciences.
Based on personal & friends' sharing over the decade, it is quite common for schools to look at overall results in sec 2. Some schools excluded music & PE (letter grade instead of marks in lower sec) as they do not offer them as an Olevels subjects.
Most will set minimum criteria to take up certain subjects so my guess is that this particular school is trying to assign a ranking score by giving double weightage to maths & sci instead of a 2-step evaluation for each affected subject.
Perhaps you would like to check w the school or senior parents in that school whether it is something new (then more room for negotiation) or has it been this way all along?
Usually I would suggest to find out more about sec 3 subject combination during sec sch open houses. We were disappointed previously when the school was unable to open a class for my child's favorite (& somewhat critical to his post sec ed in terms of portfolio) subject due to lack of interested students in his stream that year & had to compromise ourselves to fit into the school's \"combo menu\", taking an \"irrelevant\" subject.
At least we had tried our best to do our due diligence.
Schools will always have a caveat that the combi allocated will be dependent on merit first, and then whether there is sufficient demand/resources. Perhaps my child’s preferred combi (also not a popular one) will eventually not be granted, so…we’ll see… -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2133945\" time=\"1715840677\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2133945 time=1715840677 user_id=53606]
A sch i know, cop ~15, min B3 for math and sci, to take A math or pure sciences.
Yes this is how i understand many schools do it, ie if want to take A maths, need min A1-2 for lower sec maths, if want to take pure science, need min A1-2 for lower sec science. For low to mid-tier schools.
But my above posted 12 subject criteria is set by my son’s school. Just wondering how uncommon it is.
(For higher tier Express schools, i understand that A math and pure science are the default and compulsory.)[/quote]
If kid overall is not high, i would advise to focus on the critical subjects. Eg kid wants triple sci w A maths in upp sec, so he focused on maths and sci and geo. He got his 1st choice. Despite failing art and borderline FoodnCon, CL.
If kid is not strong in sci, there is advantage in taking comb sci, but those who got into poly eg engineering, will be harder but not impossible to grab say physics. But if kid choose course not required pure sci knowledge, not so consequential -
Vevey\" post_id=\"2134167\" time=\"1716433434\" user_id=\"1350:
Exactly, many just choose based on cop. Never consider sec 3 subj combi criteria by different schools. Posted before but no one paid attention.
Based on personal & friends' sharing over the decade, it is quite common for schools to look at overall results in sec 2. Some schools excluded music & PE (letter grade instead of marks in lower sec) as they do not offer them as an Olevels subjects.
Most will set minimum criteria to take up certain subjects so my guess is that this particular school is trying to assign a ranking score by giving double weightage to maths & sci instead of a 2-step evaluation for each affected subject.
Perhaps you would like to check w the school or senior parents in that school whether it is something new (then more room for negotiation) or has it been this way all along?
Usually I would suggest to find out more about sec 3 subject combination during sec sch open houses. We were disappointed previously when the school was unable to open a class for my child's favorite (& somewhat critical to his post sec ed in terms of portfolio) subject due to lack of interested students in his stream that year & had to compromise ourselves to fit into the school's \"combo menu\", taking an \"irrelevant\" subject.
At least we had tried our best to do our due diligence.
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