Networking Group - JCs General
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ilovelaksa:
A period of 2 years is too short to catch up for most O level students. Most IP students are already exposed to some A level contents in their IP program. It's not a level playing field. But at the end of the day, both IP and JAE students may still get the same score, but may differ in the 'quality' of the A-grade.
Why blend? Go supersede the IPs, the sky’s the limit! The A levels is a level playing field for all.abachee:
Bingo!! You were right about that. Ultimately it’s still up to the individual student attitude and ability to catch up fast and find it’s feet and blend with those smarter IP ones or else they will struggle. -
phtthp:
Wow...I did not expect such a response but I merely stating the fact lah...NYJC is really TOP 4 jc in Singapore based on COP mah....I think its good to have competition so that everyone can improve and I like to see disruptor challenging the status quo to keep everyone on the toe. I remembered during my time, NYJC was really a very ulu jc and NJ/TJ is high up there but look what happen today. Is the rise of NYJC is due more to hype or substance (good A level results)? The fact that they are able to attract i guess the top 10% of JAE student is a commendable effort. They must be doing something correct/good to attract them.(I mean location does play a part but come on, they have been there for decades and a football field is really just a football field lei. But I super like EJC's field on rooftop, something different!)I believe that if you depend on good marketing/hype to attract people, time will expose your empty vessel, words/gossip travel fast.UBKmom:
Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.
In terms of entry point COP into Junior colleges, Nanyang JC is impressive. At the very most, we can use the word \"impressive\" or \"look attractive, appealing to enter Nanyang Junior College \", because this is a fair statement. Nanyang JC had done well, keep Up your spirit !
However, the moment we mention the word \"amongst Top\" JC, we No longer just look at the entry Cut-off-point, alone
Far more important is the Final, Exit END-point results, and that is looking at the performance of the \"QUALITY\" GCE \"A\" level results breakdown in detail, by H2 subject.
The same analogy arise, when we compare our primary schools' PSLE results, to explain clearer.
When we compare primary schools' PSLE results, what do we look out for?
a)
We look out for the percentage of \"QUALITY A / A *\" PSLE results, of the core 4 subjects (EL / MA / SC / Mother Tongue & Higher Mother Tongue)
A : 75 and above
A * : 91 and above
b)
We look at the number or the percentage of students, who scored 250 and above, in that primary school.
c)
We look at the Average / Mean T-score of the entire P6 PSLE cohort performance, in that individual primary school.
Do you ever look at the Entry point or Entrance point into Primary 1, that is how popular is that hot-favorable primary school in demand, during Phase 2C (less than 1 km) balloting, to determine or decide whether that primary school is amongst the Top schools in Sg ?
No, you don't !
Instead, what do we look for ?
We look at the Final, EXIT point Performance results, ie. the PSLE cohort performance, in that particular school.
It is the results of the entire cohort, that speaks for itself !
Likewise, the same concept applies to Junior Colleges -
again, we look at the Final, EXIT GCE A level performance results, of a particular Junior college.
Recall that Chinese, common saying ?
\"It is Not how you start or begin the race, that is important. Rather, it is how you END at the finishing line , that is Important !\"
In the same reasoning, there are IP students who started the begining of the Secondary school education (6 years ahead) who acquired impressive T-score, via lots of drilling, through tons of tuition in Primary 5 and 6.
However, along the way, what happen to them ?
Some of them felt very tired, couldn't cope with rigorous IP course with 8 subjects in Sec vs. 4 subjects & with heavy demand of Cca commitment plus other reasons : drop out halfway, exited at end of Sec 4, or retained at end of JC 1 (Year 5) or did badly at JC2.
Whether they can continue to Exit at the final, destination point with good A level results, is a question mark they have to answer themselves.
Unless and until someone come forward willingly to prove to everyone and to furnish the detailed breakdown by individual subject the H2 performance of the core Science and core Arts A-level subjects, & compare against that of National Junior college, for at least past 3 years' A level results consistently, to prove a consistent trend worth-noting performance, otherwise it is Wrong to use entrance Cut-off-point to decide & to determine if Nanyang JC A-level results is indeed the #4 Junior College, throughout entire Singapore.
I am not sure what is happening with NJC but to pin the reason to EJC operating at Sinai is not exactly correct. I dont know how many of CHS, SCGS and SNG top students go to NJ previously, I guess those top student will mainly go to RI, HCI or VJC taking into their secondary school location, SAP status etc and I doubt EJC is a serious competitor of NJC with their current infant stage (no offence to EJC). NJC is not new to competition, they have been surviving well sitting next to HCI and others like ACJC, ACSI, RI (previously at Sinai). I guess the main issue is with more school going the IP/IB route and more good students going poly, NJC is stuck in the middle, either here nor there, there are losing their niche or distinctions to attract good student. I mean if I am good I will go HCI or RI,if I am 5 - 12 pointers, I have alot more JCs or Poly to choose from. Will NJC goes down the road of TJC, I am not sure. Will they flourish again after EJC move back to Bishan, I doubt so. Will EJC suffer the same fate as NJC sitting beside a giant (RI), I hope not. Like I say, I like disruptor.
As for the end result (A level performance), without all JCs release their complete results and standard of measurement (UAP, nos of 3As, 4As etc, there is really no way of comparing, however, if you take the top 15/20 secondary school based on PSLE COP, do you think their O level performance (if those IP school also takes O level) will not follow their PSLE COP ranking? (may be not same ranking but still within top 20). Then, can we also make the same assumption on those JCs based on O level COP?
PS: I have nothing to do with NYJC or NJC. -
UBKmom:
Top 4 JC based on JAE COP but don’t forget the JAE is only for O-level students only.
Wow...I did not expect such a response but I merely stating the fact lah...NYJC is really TOP 4 jc in Singapore based on COP mah....I think its good to have competition so that everyone can improve and I like to see disruptor challenging the status quo to keep everyone on the toe. I remembered during my time, NYJC was really a very ulu jc and NJ/TJ is high up there but look what happen today
There are IP-only schools like DHS which doesn’t take part in JAE. Seriously, Is NYJC better than DHS?
And since the intake of each JC varies greatly after the recent wave of mergers, this external change has an impact on the COP this time round. It can’t be that CJC’s standard deteriorated overnight but its drop in COP could be explained considering that it absorbs the most students this time round.
I also noticed a lot of earlier posts with O-level students stating their fears, worries or simply not comfortable to join an IPJC. So they just pick a more reputable non-IP JC and NYJC happens to be one of the better non-IP heartlander JC. This perhaps reflects the divide in our society with unfounded perceptions and concerns about elitist IP schools due to a lack of mixing across the social divide. If one day, this social divide could be bridges, will NYJC still be as popular? -
UBKmom:
The reason you are receiving such a response is because you made a frivolous statement. And when you read back the many comments posted by these people, don't you think so too ?.
Wow...I did not expect such a response but I merely stating the fact lah...NYJC is really TOP 4 jc in Singapore based on COP mah...UBKmom:
How does a change in COP keeps everyone on the toe ? And what exactly did it disrupt ?.
.I think its good to have competition so that everyone can improve and I like to see disruptor challenging the status quo to keep everyone on the toe....UBKmom:
The top 10% of JAE does not equate to top 10% of entire Singapore cohort which includes IP. And how did you come to the figure of top 10% of JAE ? COP of 7-8 is definitely not top 10%. The top 10% of JAE would likely be 4 pointers or less..
The fact that they are able to attract i guess the top 10% of JAE student is a commendable effort. ....UBKmom:
What do you think is happening to NJC ? Please enlighten us....
I am not sure what is happening with NJC but to pin the reason to EJC operating at Sinai is not exactly correct. ....
When EJC was set up last year, NJC COP drop. Even Hwa Chong dropped ( and I recall Hwa Chong did send out a circular that year too on possible drop in their COP ). Both NJC and ACJC again drop 2 points these year compared to other colleges. Is it coincindental that all these 3 colleges are near to EJC ?UBKmom:
I failed to see your logic. If what you said is true that every JC should in the 5-12 COP range would have experienced a drop, not just NJC? But these was not the case..
I guess the main issue is with more school going the IP/IB route and more good students going poly, NJC is stuck in the middle, either here nor there, there are losing their niche or distinctions to attract good student. I mean if I am good I will go HCI or RI,if I am 5 - 12 pointers, I have alot more JCs or Poly to choose from. ....UBKmom:
I am not sure why you place so much emphasis on COP. A drop in school COP means the school is in demise ? Should you not look at A Level performance which NJC is stellar for rather then COP, which is really a meaningless statistic just indicating popularity..
Will NJC goes down the road of TJC, I am not sure. Will they flourish again after EJC move back to Bishan, I doubt so. Will EJC suffer the same fate as NJC sitting beside a giant (RI), I hope not. Like I say, I like disruptor...UBKmom:
You cant because you PSLE COP is of finer granularity. e,g a 75 marks in PSLE is A and 90 marks is A*. In 'o\" level , everything is lumped as a A grade. We are very sure if a child get 4 A* in PSLE, he is definitely among the top 10 percent..
As for the end result (A level performance), without all JCs release their complete results and standard of measurement (UAP, nos of 3As, 4As etc, there is really no way of comparing, however, if you take the top 15/20 secondary school based on PSLE COP, do you think their O level performance (if those IP school also takes O level) will not follow their PSLE COP ranking? (may be not same ranking but still within top 20). Then, can we also make the same assumption on those JCs based on O level COP?.
However, If a student get all As in his \"O\" level, he could be getting 90 marks in all his subject or 75 marks in all his subjects. Is it a higher grade A or a borderline A ? Therefore you can't made that assumption -
thsheng99:
Raw score of 6 - 0 bonus points = 6 nett, not within 10%?
The top 10% of JAE does not equate to top 10% of entire Singapore cohort which includes IP. And how did you come to the figure of top 10% of JAE ? COP of 7-8 is definitely not top 10%. The top 10% of JAE would likely be 4 pointers or less. -
NotEducatedMan:
You suggessting all the that got a raw score of 6 in NYJC got in without any bonus pt? Or there are no Chung Cheng school students in NYJC?
Raw score of 6 - 0 bonus points = 6 nett, not within 10%?thsheng99:
The top 10% of JAE does not equate to top 10% of entire Singapore cohort which includes IP. And how did you come to the figure of top 10% of JAE ? COP of 7-8 is definitely not top 10%. The top 10% of JAE would likely be 4 pointers or less. -
NotEducatedMan:
Are you citing a realistic example? CCAs in scondary school would have given virtually all students at least 1 bonus pt
Raw score of 6 - 0 bonus points = 6 nett, not within 10%?thsheng99:
The top 10% of JAE does not equate to top 10% of entire Singapore cohort which includes IP. And how did you come to the figure of top 10% of JAE ? COP of 7-8 is definitely not top 10%. The top 10% of JAE would likely be 4 pointers or less. -
MMM:
Looks like my DS is also in the same JC as your DCs. Nil Sine Labore
I think our dc might be in the same JC that enjoy sea breeze the entire day. She was clear and glad she made the choice despite she could have made it to top 1 choice. A lot of her peers are in the top 1 “choices” now. She enjoyed the reporting day today and commented that she is glad that she can have a life besides studying.abachee:
(PS If you guys are wondering which JC my child posted to, your guesses is as good as mine. For those who have known me in other secondary sch chat in this forum. You would have guess it. It’s the JC which enjoy all day sea Breeze) -
ngl2010:
Other than 300 students increase in CJC, anybody knows the intake increase for other JCs?
VJ's intake is close to 900 (about 200 increase)
NY's intake is also close to 900 (according to it's Facebook post) (about 200 increase)
SA's intake is about 700 to 800 (about 100 to 150 increase)
PJ's intake is about 800+ -
thsheng99:
You suggessting all the that got a raw score of 6 in NYJC got in without any bonus pt? Or there are no Chung Cheng school students in NYJC?[/quote]You sound very desperate to argue cases just like how you tried to did with the gauge of performance between MJC and TJC. MY DS has a raw score of 8 and nett 6 and is the top 5% of cohort (https://www.moe.gov.sg/education/edusave/edusave-scholarships-for-independent-schools-%28esis%29) as he is eligible for EEIS as stated on the letter he received together with his result slip.
Raw score of 6 - 0 bonus points = 6 nett, not within 10%?NotEducatedMan:
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The top 10% of JAE does not equate to top 10% of entire Singapore cohort which includes IP. And how did you come to the figure of top 10% of JAE ? COP of 7-8 is definitely not top 10%. The top 10% of JAE would likely be 4 pointers or less.
So what is your evidence to say that \"The top 10% of JAE would likely be 4 pointers or less.\"? So much untruths in your statements.
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