pixiedust:

maychua1975:

[quote=\"CONNECTION2016\"]Almost same. ACSI is 5 point. difference is 2 points. but the IB result difference is huge huge and huge. they have good amount of intake in Y5 (about 200 students). amonst these lots of students scoring 45/44.

The IB results for ACSI is about 42 average, while SJI was 40 last year then went to 41 this year. As you mentioned, the JC intake is very different. The PSLE intake for ACSI IP is also much better.

Then again, by the amount of complaints you have, I'm pretty sure your son is in the wrong school. He'd be better off in ACS(I) =P Good luck.

I absolutely agree with maychua1975 ! ACSI has a long history of stellar IB result (not only Singapore, worldwide) and not only in the past 2 years.[/quote]You are correct about the average result of 41 vs 42. Definitely SJI did quite well in IB. But request you see more detailed result. How many perfect score and how many near perfect score and compare. As a parent can't we dream the similar from SJI. Out of 80 student-- 8 Perfect score and 20 near perfect score. Does it not mean huge huge different. My point is not to criticise rather to take or follow a better system which is already proven as best.

Agree with both of you that ACSI is doing extremely well due to their long history. At the same time may I request you to go in depth how they are doing so well. In fact their IB curriculum starts right from Sec 1 where as SJI starts at Sec 3. Their are few more steps taken by them to ensure guys to perform best in academically as well as holistically. My point is not to compare and put one up and another one down. My point is constructive argument and to embrace, support and follow the better system. No system or organisation in the world is perfect. Their are always pros & cons on all the system. Their are thousands of things are THE BEST in SJI compared to any school in the world. One of those is the bonding, SJI Family and brotherhood. Academically ACS(I) already established a proven system. We parents can discuss these with the school and request them to follow a better system.

Argument can also raised that SJI is new with IB. But you can also refer to the ACS(I) O level and SJI O-level result. Definitely SJI did very good, but compare to the ACS(I), they should have done much better. So what I mean, there are still very good room for improvement for SJI on both O level and IB; and we (parents and school both) should strive for this, help each other and embrace the better / proven system.

"The school also look at the character, leadership and skill development of each boy" – this is the school aim and goal; but I am very much concern if the school is working for this. Just see below comments from concerned parents yesterday (8th Jan 2016). Appreciate your Feedback/Suggestion:


Parent 1: Seeking opinions from parents with boys in all-boys schools. First week in Sec 1, before even going thru’ orientation, boy was asked to "drop 20" by comp studies teacher. Just because they were going thru step by step to log into their personal email accounts, & the boy clicked on an email in his inbox "orientation matters". Teacher shouts at boy & punished him to "drop 20". I understand it’s normal punishment in all-boys schools, but was it necessary to do it on the first week in Sec 1? First time meeting the teacher & for such a minor "wrong-doing"? Wouldn’t shouting & reprimanding suffice?

Parent 2: Didn’t want to name the school. But it’s SJI. The other parent messaged me as well. Her son is also going through a tough time in the school. We agree that they are running a military camp.


Parent 3: In fact I am also very much concerned about the school environment. I had been few times in the school and talked & observed few senior students. I also visited other schools such as ACSI, RI, HCI and NJC.
My observation is quite concerning. I feel SJI do something and their system does something with the students - and they finally becoming like a doll/robot. SJI may be wants the boys to be gentlemen. But finally these boys become robot, always keep their head down, unable to stand up properly with chest up!! This is really concerning me once I see the senior boys.
Whereas in other school boys are so open and cheer up and lively - they are growing on their own.
In SJI the school’s military system doesn’t allow the children to raise their own. The kids are always on pressure - don’t do this or only do this! I am very much concerned about it.

Parent 1: True. Whereas in schools like RI, you see very impressive boys who carry themselves very well. Outspoken & shows leadership qualities. Whereas the few student leaders I spoke to on registration day at SJI, they seemed so timid & unsure. One even stuttered when we asked him a question.

Almost same. ACSI is 5 point. difference is 2 points. but the IB result difference is huge huge and huge. they have good amount of intake in Y5 (about 200 students). amonst these lots of students scoring 45/44.


it is not correct that we need to wait until 2018. Practically in SJI the curriculum for IP and Express for S1 and S2 is 99% same. Though school taking few hundreds bucks extra for so called IP. the part of IB starts in S3 and S4. then then full in S5.

on the other hand at ACSI they start the Curriculum from S1. Sonthe students are getting prepared from the begining. yesterday i called learning hub for my son (SJI -IP) for S1 english tuition. they replied he can join any express english claas. they also replied me that they only have separate english class for S1 ACSI IP.

my point is not letting the SJI down as lots of things at SJI are good also. but my point is if we know our short comings (mean SJI IB result), why can’t we aquire the good part / practice from others (ACSI) and implement to ur boys. I strongly believe their curriculum require upgradation towards excellence. They are more interested on strict militery style rules and regulations. offcourse boys require to learn dicipline. but not like militery style. their are too many do and dont do. these restricting the student to be more independent. for vey minor things they are going for punishments like 20 push ups. the level head annouced to the boys very strongly that i know how to make you dicipline - one of them is physical punishment. Unbelieble in 21st century?

So the final outcome will remain same even after 10 years until the culture is not changed.

radiantmum:

Impressed w SJI's regular and comprehensive updates to date! A good start to parents' engagement!


N just ruefully realised SJI fees are 30 to 40 times more than a govt school. Hope that translates to smaller class tchr student ratio, better resources n more enrichment opportunities for our kids.

CCA options look v limited though. Looks like if not good in sports will end up in uniform groups or bands n that will take up lots of time? Any advice from any parents?

Yah, agree with you that updates are very regular by the Level Head. Initially I was very impressed but later observed that it become tooooo muuuuchhh. We want our boys to be independent. But school is spoon feeding them for each and everything. The level head is sending messages for the same topic again and again and again and until we got irritated and unfollw the twiter / telegram.

If you are good team leader - your instruction should concise and clear - one time is enough. No need to pointing the same thing again and again; gives a poor sense of leadership.

Imconcern:

thankgod:

orientation week over ... now to get into real work


qns: for this in the IP program, how does the CCA bonus points work? students won't need the bonus points for o-levels ...

Saw a similar question asked in other thread and am surprised that this is asked as I the school has gone thru it several times. SJI (and in fact almost all schools) looks at the holistic development of each child. While the boy MIGHT NOT need to go through O Level if they are in IP track, academic results is not everything there is in SJI. Also, in the worst case scenario, what if they cannot make it in IP and need to move onto O level track? Not something that has never happened before. The school also look at the character, leadership and skill development of each boy and opportunities and awards are given accordingly.

If anyone is asking this question for your DS, pls tell them that CCA is a commitment and an important of life in SJI. If you are asking this as a parent, I hope it do not negatively influence your DS as they will soon grow to be a man and textbooks is not everything. Instead, ask them to think seriously and commit to it. I like one thing that was shared during the parent orientation brief. Each boy will be able to put in 6 choices for their CCA, and any of the six choices might be something that they can go 'tahan' with for the next 4 years.

\"The school also look at the character, leadership and skill development of each boy\" -- this is the school aim and goal; but I am very much concern if the school is working for this. Just see below comments from concerned parents yesterday (8th Jan 2016). Appreciate your Feedback/Suggestion:

Parent 1: Seeking opinions from parents with boys in all-boys schools. First week in Sec 1, before even going thru' orientation, boy was asked to \"drop 20\" by comp studies teacher. Just because they were going thru step by step to log into their personal email accounts, & the boy clicked on an email in his inbox \"orientation matters\". Teacher shouts at boy & punished him to \"drop 20\". I understand it's normal punishment in all-boys schools, but was it necessary to do it on the first week in Sec 1? First time meeting the teacher & for such a minor \"wrong-doing\"? Wouldn't shouting & reprimanding suffice?

Parent 2: Didn't want to name the school. But it's SJI. The other parent messaged me as well. Her son is also going through a tough time in the school. We agree that they are running a military camp.


Parent 3: In fact I am also very much concerned about the school environment. I had been few times in the school and talked & observed few senior students. I also visited other schools such as ACSI, RI, HCI and NJC.
My observation is quite concerning. I feel SJI do something and their system does something with the students - and they finally becoming like a doll/robot. SJI may be wants the boys to be gentlemen. But finally these boys become robot, always keep their head down, unable to stand up properly with chest up!! This is really concerning me once I see the senior boys.
Whereas in other school boys are so open and cheer up and lively - they are growing on their own.
In SJI the school's military system doesn’t allow the children to raise their own. The kids are always on pressure - don't do this or only do this! I am very much concerned about it.

Parent 1: True. Whereas in schools like RI, you see very impressive boys who carry themselves very well. Outspoken & shows leadership qualities. Whereas the few student leaders I spoke to on registration day at SJI, they seemed so timid & unsure. One even stuttered when we asked him a question.

Imconcern:

pixiedust:

Any information what is the lowest score in this batch of 76 students ?

I understand the highest score is 44/45 and no perfect score.
and 1000 students took the IB exam in Singapore in 2014. (just to keep track for future year's comparison)

1) Since it is 100% passing rate, no one has gone below 24 points.
2) Considering that this is the first batch taking the IBDP exam, I believe the lowest score of the batch is immaterial
3) ACSI has been running the program since 2005, about 8 years more experienced than SJI. From this perspective, I think the school has done exceptionally well with the first batch and we should only expect better news in the future.

I don't fully agree with you. It is immaterial whether 1st batch or 2nd batch. You have all the prime students in your batch. You need to mould them to get the best outcome. To mould them you need to have very good teachers who are very very expert on IBDB. We can't play with our buys life - like trail session; our boys can't be guinea pig. MOE should have done this and arrange exchange between ACSI and SJI as both offering IB curriculum under MOE though they are independent/autonomous.

pixiedust:

Any information what is the lowest score in this batch of 76 students ?

I understand the highest score is 44/45 and no perfect score.
and 1000 students took the IB exam in Singapore in 2014. (just to keep track for future year's comparison)

Congrats to SJI; but they still need to do more and more. compare to the ACS(I). Yah we can argue 1st batch.. but this should not be the main reason of argument. Even 2015 batch (result on 5th Jan 2016) was ok, but again far far away from ACS(I). All students were in in JC1/S5 with good cut off point, which means intake was with all the good calibre students same as ACSI. But the outcome is not same. The school team must work for excellence to catch or compare with ACSI.

Imconcern:

Good news must share and encourage each other. The first batch of IB boys from SJI produced stellar result for their IB exam.


\"At St Joseph's Institution, its first batch of 76 IB diploma students scored an average of 39.4 points.\" - fantastic result and all the boys deserve a pat on their back for job well done (100% passing rate)

Other stats:
Global average: 29.94
National average: 36.43 (well done every IB students who took IB exam in Singapore)
Perfect scorer - 66 students out of more than 2000 students from SG (up from 43 the year before)
ACSI average: 41.3 (449 students took IB exam, 34 perfect scorers)
Sota average: 38.89 (112 students with 26 students scoring at least 42 points - well done)

Full article:
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/singap ... s-20150105
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/sin ... 70076.html

Well done SJI, well done teachers and management. Looking forward as my boy go thru the process, from ah boy to gentleman.

Congrats to SJI; but they still need to do more and more. compare to the ACS(I). Yah we can argue 1st batch.. but this should not be the main reason of argument. Even 2015 batch (result on 5th Jan 2016) was ok, but again far far away from ACS(I). All students were in in JC1/S5 with good cut off point, which means intake was with all the good calibre students same as ACSI. But the outcome is not same. The school team must work for excellence to catch or compare with ACSI.