2ppaamm:

When a school has a good reputation to keep, the school will keep its reputation at all costs. Singaporean style.

That's a fair statement at all
In schools like RI where 100% of the students are doing IP, would you not think that it's teachers, curriculum, programmes are not quite geared towards or optimized for preparing a handful (Less than 10) who for whatever reasons decide to drop out of IP & opt for 'O' levels instead.

Therefore, in fact it is the more sensible and responsible thing to do - i.e. Students opting out of IP hv to transfer out of the sch

Big Octopus:

Pen88n:

[quote=\"Big Octopus\"]
Why can't RI open up more classes and accept all GEPpers instead ? I know there are some with GEPpers with low T score, but that is not what they are look at in the first place rite ? Otherwise, no need to identify GEP rite ?
Boys generally mature later and these kids might be doing very well later on as they mature.

Why only GEPpers who should have this priority - just becos they are identified at P3 level? In this case, all parents should go drill their kids for GEP (afterall no need to worry about T-score or sec sch thereafter). Your same arguement of later maturity can be applied to mainstreamers as well.....so RI has to open more classes to cater to whole of Singapore kids??

And why must it only be RI? Singapore has so many schools, and RI is not the only school who can groom your kid!

Come on, 别钻牛角尖. There are lots of good schools out there. Have you consider that your GEP kid may probably fare better in a different environment as compared with the competition he will face in RI???

I'm quoting RI from the previous post that was discussing on RI. There are definitely many good schools out there.
What is the reason when there are only 500+ GEPpers and thousands of mainstreamers RI cater so many classes for GEP ?[/quote]hmmmmmmm...
Let's do this
Perhaps let us try & see if we can understand why every year RI ends up with so many S1 classes of GEP kids
- Let's say RI takes in 250 out of the total 350 GEP boys in Singapore every year. Of which maybe 150-180 of these are fr DSA process and the remainder 70-100 are fr the S1 posting process. ( the numbers I quote here may not be 100% accurate, it's just for discussion sake )

Points to Note ( some are facts, some are my own assumptions):
1. RI is an independent School & therefore it's Principal is hired directly by its own Board of Governors & not just assigned to it by MOE.
2. The Principal of RI reports directly to the Board & probably wld want to perform well in the eyes of the Board
3. One of the very important key Performance indicator expected of the Principal by the Board wld very probably be the GCE A Levels Results
4. RI (being an independent school ) probably has a lot of discretion & independence ( i.e. not fully controlled by MOE on this ) on determining the admission policies to RI, including how many students to take in during DSA, how many students from the different domains ( eg. CCAs, GEP, Academic etc ) to allocate for the DSA process.
5. The detailed admission policies ( or shld I say strategies ) of RI wld probably be largely determined by its Principal & not the board ( board wld probably not go into such operational detailed aspects of running the school )
6. The Principal wld therefore be very very concerned about how the RI's Sec One admission selection policies ( or rather strategies ) would impact on the school's GCE A level performance 6 yrs down the road

With the above in mind, why then does RI end up with about 200-250 GEP boys every year? Is it because
(1) the Principal was from GEP
(2) MOE forced them to do so
(3) RI wants to boast that they managed to attract the majority of GEP kids to the school year after year
(4) RI just enjoy pissing off the parents on Kiasuparents who complain about RI having so many GEP boys
(5) \" ......... (fill in your own reason)\"

Augmum:

jtoh:

Actually, most schools do set aside a quota for the different domains - GEP, Academic, Sports, Aesthetics etc. If you speak to the Sports teachers, they'll tell you exactly how many places are available for that year's Sports intake, and how many spots are alloted to which sport. Many IP schools (those with SBGE usually) also have a quota for GEP students and a separate quota for academic domain.

had it checked it out for DHS.......fr horse's mouth.....

NO QUOTA for GEP pupils,
vacancies which are not filled by GEP pupils will be spooled to the mainstream pupils who applied for DSA.

jtoh:

And they don't necessarily fill up all the spots. If the students don't meet the mark, they aren't accepted. So GEP and mainstreamers don't exactly compete against each other in these schools. The mainstreamers compete against other mainstreamers in the academic domain.

so YES, GEP and mainstreamers do compete with one another (under academics domain)
as the total vacancies avail for DSA is kept at 50%

the above is reference to my previous posting (below)

Augmum:

That’s where \"the problem\" lies, DHS u heard that ..... :evil:

Most Gep pupils would apply for DSA to DHS, (some even apply to all IP schs, real KS)
even w/o the intention of taking up the offer,
as it’s such a hassle free,
exempted fr GAT and no interviews required, so why not ??
their applications take up the slots of the DSA vacancies,
depriving other applicants who are really keen in their applications.

Hi Augmum
1. GEP kids & parents are no different from other kids and parents represented here in Kiasuparents.
2. They all place a lot of importance on education and the school they go to to give themselves the best possible opportunity to develop to the best they can be.
3. Getting a DSA CO/WL is not a guaranteed thing for a GEP kid. 10-20% of all GEP kids do not get any CO/WL at all.
4. Put yrself in the shoes of a GEP kid/parent & wld u apply for RI/HCI only(for boys) & RGS/NYGH only (for girls)? Or wld u also apply for a good school like DHS as well on top of those above ?
- If you say u wld apply for RI/HCI or RGS/NYGH only, I wld salute you for your bravery
- & if you say if u were a GEP kid/parent, you wld also apply for DHS on top of RI/HCI or RGS/NYGH I wld also salute you, for your honesty.

That's all.

Zann:

jtoh:

[quote=\"ngbrdad\"]

You're referring to EESIS, which is awarded to GEP students who are promoted to secondary GEP status. If a student fails SS and is not able to maintain his GEP status, then he will not be given EESIS under GEP. BUT if his T-score is within the top 3% of PSLE scorers, he will still be given EESIS, as will all mainstreamers who score within the top 3% of all PSLE students.

But I would imagine that someone who is able to score within the top 3% of the PSLE population should be able to maintain his GEP status.

From what I understand during the GE department talk, ask long as the student manage to get a place in the SBGE programme of a recognised school on the MOE list (By DSA or other ways), the kid will get the $200 GE grant.
It's different form EESIS so don't have to be top 3% of PSLE.

No, it's EESIS. You'll see it when your son gets his PSLE results slip, it'll be printed clearly there: EESIS. It's also stated on the MOE website:


The EESIS is also awarded to P6 GEP pupils who are Singapore Citizens and who

1. meet the P6 GEP promotion criteria, and
2. are enrolled in the IP in an Independent School at S1.


http://www.moe.gov.sg/initiatives/edusave/funds-grants-awards/eesis/[/quote]I always want to verify the criteria of SS baseline as 70% for GE promotion criteria but to no avail. Till now it is still like hear say only. Why didn't they spell it in MOE website.[/quote]

This is from MOE website
http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/programmes/gifted-education-programme/faq/general/

GEP Status in Secondary Levels
What happens after the primary GEP?

After Primary 6, retention of the GEP status and promotion to the next level of gifted education is based on:

performance in the GEP from Primary 4 to 6, including a pass in Social Studies
attitude towards work and the enrichment programme
performance at the PSLE

Hi Blur Dad


I can really emphatise with you
Being a father of 2 GEP kids who had gone thru the GEP Programmes and DSA in the past couple of years, I feel that there’s a lack of understanding of GEP programme and why DSA is a necessary & important path for GEP kids.

Let me put it this way.
I do not think my 2 kids who went through GEP programme necessarily any more intelligent nor any more deserving to go to the TOP IP schools than the kids from mainstream. The only difference is that for some reason ( which till today I also do not fully understand ) they were somehow selected for the GEP programme…
DSA to GEP kids is not and should never be an entitlement, but I would dare say that DSA to GEP kids is a very very important lifeline.
Why?

The GEP programme is like a Decathlon Training & Exposure Programme ( 10 events - long jump, shot put, high jump, 400m, 110m, discus, pole vault, javelin, 1500m )
Whilst the PSLE is a Nationwide 400m race …
So whilst the mainstream kids are prepared in a very focused manner for the 400m race ( PSLE ) from as early as P4 all the way to P6. The GEP kids are instead being focused on being ‘exposed’ to all the different Decathlon events.
I know my kids’ GEP teachers even constantly remind parents not to prepare their kids for PSLE but to support them and focus on allowing the kids to be exposed to as many things as possible, they assure us that they will start to seriously prepare our kids for PSLE from May/June of the PSLE year onwards… )

Imagine … A GEP kid not getting a DSA to any of the IP schools that offer School Based Gifted Programme & knowing that only in August/September of PSLE year… they wld then hv to intensively prepare for the Nationwide 400m race ( PSLE ) in a short few months in P6 against a whole cohort of excellent athletes ( equally if not more intelligent & academically inclined students in mainstream )

There are many GEP kids ( I would venture, say 10%? of 500 = abt 50? ) without any CO/WL from any of the TOP IP schools after the DSA exercise.
It’s also really not easy for them to really focus on preparing intensively for the PSLE ( when 90% of the classmates hv already gotten a DSA CO ). Put yrself in their shoes…. If I were them, I know I wld be really demoralised and find it difficult to ‘chiong’ when the other kids with DSA are not chionging to the same level. I know if I am a PSLE kid and I have a DSA CO, I wld not be chionging at the same level as I wld if I do not have a DSA CO, I am only human…. And I am an adult, what more a 12 yr old kid ??….

It’s also not easy for them to compete against the mainstreamers in the PSLE ( A kid trained for decathlon having to compete in a nationwide 400m race with less than half a year of focused intensive training in the event against a whole bunch of just as able/more able kids who have been trained for the 400m race over 2-3 years )

Many of the GEP kids who find themselves in such a situation wld ‘survive’ at the end of the day ( get to a desired IP school via PSLE )
But there are also those who do not manage to do so… ( but whom I believe they wld be able to do so if only they had been as prepared and focused on the PSLE over P4-P6 like kids in the mainstream … )
My heart really goes out to them …
So that is why I personally feel that DSA is really an important lifeline for GEP kids…. It is not their entitlement… but a real important lifeline…

My own personal 2cts worth …

jtoh:

DaddyDaddy:

We were at the nygh tea session too. The principal's words were such music to our ears. We now having celebratory lunch!

:congrats: Your dd got a CO too?

DD got WL from NYGH, at tea session with principal this morning. She gave assurance that all with WL will be given a place so long as we put it as first choice. Really think the NYGH culture is a considerate and gentle one that even for waitlist, the principal said she does not wish to add stress and anxiety to the parents ... :celebrate:

We were at the nygh tea session too. The principal’s words were such music to our ears. We now having celebratory lunch!

oops

first time posting here
thought submit button did not work
so pressed a few times…
so got repeated posts
SORRY!
How do I delete the repeated posts ?

anyone else received CO email from RGS yet ?

seem like only funx3 got email ?

anyone else received CO email from RGS yet ?

seem like only funx3 got email ?