mummy of three:sleepy:[quote=\"Picolo\"]Chicken feet for some, cut throat for some others. I have the extremes even in the same household The 3 points are useless for non-SAP sec schools. Which child still wants to continue studying in an SAP school after PSLE if he has been struggling CL?!! :slapshead:I find HCL's 3 points useless too. Problem is some SAP schools don't allow switching to Normal Chinese at P5. Die die must continue with HCL :faint:Learning HCL is learning more than CL, but does it harm to learn more even if there is no 3 points?[/quote]Is your oldest kid in lower pri or below?My answer was directed to Jerytan. I think, for the threadstarter to even consider the drastic move of transferring son to a non-SAP school, it must be quite stressful for the parent/son to cope with the high CL requirement as well as the competition in the SAP school. My ds2 is of the same age as jerytan with the same issue, and I can understand. I also considered transferring school for my ds2 before, but that was 2 years ago. After I realised there was already a very long waiting list in the desired school, I gave up that idea and tried ways and means to help my son learn CL, and cope with the high standard of CL in his class. I thought, nebbermind, I'll teach CL and perseverance at the same time. So to answer your question, HCL is not harmful, only beneficial and provide good exposure for those who can cope. But it's not the case for those really really struggling to learn CL, ie. 听写/默写always a big fat O or perpetually fail type from P4 or, to do well, need 10x more effort than others. The 3 marks is definitely not worth the effort for those struggling with CL, really.At P1 and P2, doing well in CL was easy. DS2 had 96 (P1) and 88 marks (P2). But at P3 till now, he's doing about 46th percentile at about 60+ marks. He is struggling with CL. On the other hand, DS1 is spending so little time to learn his 听写/默写 but still does relatively well. For HCL he's getting better than 90th percentile. Same family, same exposure but huge difference in outcome, no?DS2 loves to stay with the same classmates next year and so he will try his best to do well in all subjects. If his overall aggregate allows him to stay in the same class, he will have to opt for HCL class in P5. This is the disadvantage of those students who are weak in CL but overall scores still manage to get into the top 2/3/4 classes. If they opt out of HCL, they will join the NC class which are not the top classes, and will have new set of classmates. I hope my sharing will help parents (esp. those with kids not so great with CL) to consider SAP schools carefully. Note also from P5, HCL classes in SAP schools have more hours spent on HCL and less hours spent on Science compared to NC classes. :snuggles: