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    • RE: Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)

      Dear Zhi Yuan,


      I do not question motives of PSLs - I fully appreciate hard work put up by PSL's and I am sure organizing this camp must be a great learning experience for PSL's as well. However, I seriously question the need for a PG / R rated horror movie which many parents may not prefer their 12 year old to watch - PG stands for \"Parental Guidance\" and in this case Parental Guidance was not sought beforehand.

      My elder daughter is already in Raffles so we very much know what life in Raffles' is all about. Instead of horror movie, a more wholesome activity could have been used to achieve same objective (build bonding, overcome fright etc.).

      Anyway - what is done is done - but please take this as input that many parents do not like this idea of ghastly horror movie and take this as feedback notwithstanding all the great team work that went in to prepare for the camp.

      Please convey my compliments to whole team for the excellent camp that our sons had otherwise. My son thoroughly enjoyed the camp experience.

      - Kathy

      lameking:
      Hi all,

      I am also a PSL from RI sec 1 orientation 2010, part of the Camp Committee. Just thought I should share some thoughts on points raised by some parents in this thread.

      Thank you to parents who have praised the PSLs on a job well done for the camp. We really hope that your son enjoyed himself thoroughly in the camp, because we as PSLs did 🙂 The thanks and praises in this thread have been relayed to the PSLs and we are all very delighted to hear them. Some parents have compared the orientation camps and PSLs with that of RGS’ – I really am not sure of what exactly goes on in our sister school, but from what the parents have described, I believe we as PSLs go
      through pretty much the same things.

      I am not here to boast or exaggerate about what the PSLs went through, but we did start work early in the holidays, activities include meeting up with past years’ PSLs for advice, meeting with our respective committees for detailed planning, meeting with teachers’ for advice and proposal approvals, attending training workshops and having a overnight dry run camp for PSLS to run through all the games and activities. Schedule was really tight, and as some of you may know from the Camp Commandants’ speech during JRIC, the Camp Committee was understaffed. I must really commend the PSLs for coming together and finishing the whole planning of the camp within a month, with special gratitude to the 2 Camp Commandants for helping to coordinate and oversee the whole planning and running of the camp.

      When the positive responses from parents in this thread were relayed to the PSLs, all the other comments were inevitably viewed by the PSLs too. I must say that many PSLs feel quite upset over some comments, although we recognize that everyone is entitled to their own views. Comments that question the PSLs’, FTs’ and school’s motives can really be quite hurtful to us, because they ultimately question our abilities as a whole to plan and manage a camp by ourselves. I personally feel that this is a very unfair comment to make as the PSLs really did put in a lot of hard work and time into ensuring that the camp runs as smoothly as possible. Details in the camp were vetted many times by PSLs and teachers. Safety was our main concern for every event, which proved quite a tricky issue to deal with. We had to ensure that everything was
      safe, but yet at the same time, maximise the fun for the sec 1s.

      As the PSL in-charge of Fright Night, I would like to also clear up some doubts and thoughts posted by some parents. I am quite taken aback by some parents’ comments which hint or suggest in that the PSLs, FTs or school were out to scare your sons’ to their wits end, and for no apparent reason too. All that happened during Fright Night was just to add another dimension of fun to the whole camp, not a sadistic night where PSLs take their revenge on sec 1s as some parents might have painted. I would like to clarify that the objective of Fright Night was not to bond the sec 1s under a common fear, but to bond them under a common experience. This was one of our key objectives that ran throughout the camp, including activities like Armageddon, War games, Bishan Hike etc.

      As pointed out by some parents, Fright Night is a tradition that is included in each orientation camp in RI. As pointed out too, we felt that some past Fright Nights were quite “lame”, simply wasting the sec 1s and PSLs’ time for the night. My Fright Night committee met up many times during the holidays, several occasions into the night, just to walk around the school at night and experience how it would really feel like. We created stations, routes, tasks (we planned every detail, down to measuring the length of the pool with a measuring tape) and stories from there, editing it over and over again to ensure maximum safety and fun, similar to all other activities during the camp. Just a note, many PSLs did go through the Fright Night during our dry run camp – it was not a one-off planned attack on the sec 1s by my committee during that night.

      Regarding the movies, I personally loaned them myself from EZY videos located inside Best Denki in J8 on level 3. We visited the shop several times and spent very long looking through all the movies before making our selection, ensuring that the movies were all PG. Do note that there were PG stickers from the Singapore Board of Film Censors stuck on the front cover of the movie cases, so if there are any issues with regards to the ratings of the movies, please take it to the Singapore BFC and not lash out at any of the PSLs, FTs or school.

      To parents who commented that the movies were “too scary”, all I can say is that everyone is entitled to their own views, and that some movies may seem scarier to some people, while other movies may not seem so scary to them. There is no way for us as PSLs to gauge whether the movie is very scary, a little scary or acceptably scary.

      To the comments that Fright Night is a metaphor for RI’s life, I would like to clarify that the PSLs, FTs nor school adopt that stand. I agree that it is indeed a big jump for primary 6 students to secondary school, but Fright Night is not necessarily a symbol of what’s ahead in the new Rafflesians’ lives. While it is true that the rigour of life in Raffles is really intense, we did not tell nor imply to the sec 1s that if they could not survive Fright Night, they would not be able to survive life in Raffles.

      However, it is a sign that some sec 1s need to mature mentally quickly, as matured thinkers would be able to differentiate between truths and lies, realities and fiction, as pointed out earlier by a parent. Speaking from personal experience, it was also a big leap for me from primary 6 to sec 1, and sometimes, I felt as though we were forced to mature mentally very quickly. Life in Raffles requires Rafflesians to be strong both in the mind and the spirit, because these are what drive all of us on to face challenges and give our best. I understand that some parents are still hesitant to sometimes let your sons venture out of their safety zone, but honestly speaking, there is not much time left to waste, or else they will be swept along forcibly very soon and they will struggle to survive in RI. I think what sec 1s really need now (as pointed out earlier by a parent) is support from their parents, as secondary school is still a very new concept and new environment to them. Fright Night, and ultimately the camp, simply serves as a reminder to sec 1s and parents that it is a new environment and it is time for everyone to move on and try to adapt to secondary school life.

      During the debriefings every night of the camp till 2.30am and other meetings we had after the camp and JRIC, many PSLs (myself included), actually felt that we didn’t give the batch of 2013 the best experience. We felt that the orientation camp we went through was better and rougher at the same time. (Just for your interest, there was no morning PTs and very limited amount of push-up forfeits given during this camp as compared to our own camp, just to name a few things. Our PSLs actually even had a 4 days 3 nights camp in Sarimbun camp, out of school, for their own orientation camp. The school subsequently decided that orientation camps would be held in school instead, to our dismay.) We were disappointed with ourselves although we know that we managed to pass on the key values and the Rafflesian Spirit, we felt that we could have done much better, and felt as though we let down the sec 1s.

      Through the parents and sec 1s feedback, we are very glad to know that the sec 1s have enjoyed the camp. We acknowledge that we could have done better, even though we did put in a lot of time and effort, but we know that there is room for improvement and we seek the parents’ understanding on it. We will try our best to help and guide the sec 1s along through their life in Raffles, and we seek the parents’ support in this.

      As a Camp Committee member, I did not get the chance to attach myself to any sec 1 class during the camp, but I know I speak for all PSLs when I say that the PSLs have formed deep bonds with the sec 1s through the camp. As a fellow PSL pointed out during one of our debriefings -- once a PSL, always a PSL. The PSLs are all here to guide and support the sec 1s along if they have any issues in school, all the way till even the time they become PSLs.

      On behalf of all PSLs, Thank You again, for the kind comments and notes of appreciation by the parents and we look forward to all your support 🙂

      Please feel free to drop me emails at [email protected] if you have any queries or anything to say. Thanks 🙂

      Cheers,
      Zhi Yuan (RI Secondary 1 Orientation Camp 2010 Camp Committee member)

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      kathysg2009
    • RE: Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)

      I am in full agreement with tacit. No one is denying all the good work put up by PSLs but I question the wisdom of having to screen movie which was certainly not suitable for 12 year old. My DS told me that quite a few children were traumatised and left mid-way and just like my DS, many more sat through the whole show so as not to lose face.


      As an adult, I do enjoy watching horror movie once in a while but this specific show was not meant for 12 year old and should not have been screened in RI. Period.

      tacit:
      Sorry, I'm not attacking you or anything, but I'd really like to ask: what is the point specifically in telling ghost stories and watching horror movies?

      These two activities are obviously designed to induce fear, especially with such a high concentration of horror movies and stories in the same night.

      Yes, the boys can request to be exempted, and yes, it's a tradition, but I think the objectives of bonding and being able to relate to each other can be achieved through other more wholesome activities.

      Bonding through \"common fear\" sounds like a terribly unhealthy objective of an event organised and endorsed by the school, an event meant for the Sec 1s to orientate themselves with RI while having healthy fun.

      I encourage parents to raise this issue with the school. You'd really be doing the future batches of Sec 1s a favour.

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      kathysg2009
    • RE: Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)

      Wikipedia clearly says that it is R-rated in US (and not PG). R Rated movie means \"Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian\".


      I appreciate the efforts put up by PSLs during the camp but I do not think this horror movie experience was necessary at all.

      nauhziy:
      Good evening all,

      I am a member of the PSLs for the batch of 2013. Having stumbled upon this forum and read the many comments posted by concerned parents, I feel that there is an urgent need for clarification. Especially for the fright night conducted during the second night of the camp, which started at 8pm and ended at 11.30pm.

      It is so that the students were shown Dead Silence and Shutter, with both movies picked in order to set the tone and atmosphere of fright night. Both were the PG versions, which I quote, refer to “Parental Guidance Suggested”. Do note, that it is suggested, not required. Furthermore, PSLs and teachers were present at the screening and an announcement was made to all the sec ones, stating that if they do not want to watch the movie, or get too scared during the film, all they have to do is to approach one of the many PSLs and inform them.

      The PSLs will then bring the secondary one student to the Operations Room, where comedies were screened. These students will then be exempted from the fright night activities. This measure, however, did not apply to students who were closing their eyes or not watching the movie. This was because they had made the decision to continue staying in the hall and continue watching the movie despite having been offered a way out and we as peer support leaders have to respect their decision to remain in the hall.

      The rationale for not pulling out those student who were visibly scared was because the announcement had been loud and clear, repeated, and students who asked to leave said that the message was clear, if one wanted to leave, he would be escorted out. Therefore, we decided not to pull out the remaining students because they had heard the message, wanted to leave, but did not request to do so. There is nothing the PSLs could have done if the students had not come forth.

      The activities following the movie, and the stories, were either passed down from seniors or invented, with the goal being to bond a group of five students who hardly knew each other due to the fact that there was a common fear and a common experience they could relate to after the activity. There was no intention whatsoever to make students cry and PSLs were stationed along the route to ensure the overall safety of the secondary one students.

      We regret to hear that the secondary ones have been traumatised by this experience but we hope that you understand that this was not meant to frighten secondary ones to the point where they are afraid of being alone or being near the school. In fact it was designed to create an experience where the secondary one students could all relate to as an common experience. This was reflected in Day 3’s improved student morale and enthusiasm. Also, the PSLs did what they could with regards to allowing those that did not want to watch or participate to be exempted from the activity all together.

      We seek your due understanding. Thank you.

      On a side note, there is no relationship whatsoever between fright night and life in RI. Irregardless of your son/ward's reaction to the movies, life in RI will be what he makes it out to be.

      Yours Sincerely,
      Foong Yi Zhuan
      +65 9118 9751

      Camp Committee (Organisation Committee)
      Raffles Institution Prefectorial Board (RIPB)
      National Cadet Corps (RI NCC )

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      kathysg2009
    • RE: Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)

      edupod,


      No one is questioning the importance of camp and we all respect RI tradition but you are wrong in assuming that a horror movie that was not suitable for 12 year old was required to immerse him into RI tradition. I am all for wholesome activities to help cultivate character but sorry I do not buy your argument that horror movie is required to build character.

      And I take strong exception to your comparison of neighbourhood primary school as economy class and RI as business class. This is utter nonsense and I sincerely hope it doesn't represent the view of school.

      - Kathy


      edupod:
      Every elite school in Singapore has some form of orientation events for their new students. This follows the tradition of famous boarding schools and top universities in USA and UK. Being elite schools with very bright students, these orientation events are run by the student leaders who have been through similar orientation processes when they joined the schools as new students several years ago.

      In Raffles Institution, the Sec One Orientation Camp is part of the tradition of the school. The probable purpose is to induct the students into the Rafflesian lifestyle through a series of experiential activities which stretch them intellectually and physically. Only after the orientation camp, will the Sec Ones earn their RI badge.

      As new Sec Ones in a premier school, your boys have to adopt a new mindset - a big shift from a young primary school kid to a confident secondary school boy. For some boys from neighbourhood primary schools, the transition is even more challenging as they need to cope with a new environment where the boys are generally well-behaved. It is like when you are upgraded from Economy Class to Business Class during your flight, you have to upgrade your behaviour as well because you will be seated with a different class of passengers.

      As you probably know, RI aims to nurture the Thinker, Leader and Pioneer in your son over the next 6 years.

      As part of the Sec One orientation camp, a horror movie is shown every year ( just for fun ) and ghost stories told. The Thinker in most RI boys know how to separate facts from fiction and they know that these movies and stories are not real.

      Just like in Harvard University or MIT, there are expectations that the students in RI are a better crop. And RI does things differently from other schools. So you cannot compare what RI does to what a neighbourhood school does.

      Being amongst the best of the best in Singapore plus the bright ASEAN scholars who will be joining in Sec 3, your son really have to be \" imba \" - a commonly-used RI term for \" top-notch, excellent, awesome, etc \"

      It is a BIG change for the new Sec Ones. Few months ago, they were in a primary school and now they are in a top secondary school, with all the pressure and expectations !!

      The reality is this: if your son cannot cope with a horror movie, he cannot cope with school life in Raffles Institution. The horror movie is just a smallish atom in a series of interesting challenges that your son will experience in the next 6 years.

      The bottomline is this - your son has earned his place in RI. Trust the system which has worked for the last 186 years. Help him to adjust to his new world and he will become a worthy Rafflesian that you will be proud of.

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      kathysg2009
    • RE: Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)

      My DS had nightmares - was this show appropriate for 12 year old?

      sibehKS:
      here's one of the scary shows they watched on Fright Night...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_silence

      here's the ratings system in US...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_America_film_rating_system

      anyone of your sons' been having nightmares?

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      kathysg2009
    • RE: Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)

      Kiasuson, what exactly happens during investiture? Care to share... Looks like boys had lot of fun during camp!

      kiasuson:
      Do not worry...You will be surprise by your DS after the camp. They will be fully bond into the Rafflesian community. I was surprise by the boys last year after the camp and during the investiture. Enjoy the CCA talks and the investiture.

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      kathysg2009
    • RE: Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)

      yeah - can't wait to see him!

      mathsparks:
      cant wait to see our kids, eh kathy? dont forget, cca briefing for parents tomorrow either 5-5:30 or 6-6:30.

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      kathysg2009
    • RE: Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)

      Yeah - he was excited on Day 1. Now I am little worried if he can cope on his own for 3 days or not!

      mathsparks:
      :welcome: kathysg2009, so yr son had an exciting 1st day too huh?

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      kathysg2009
    • RE: Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)

      My DS too!

      qi-er:

      Hi Hi everyone, qi-er is back!Just woke up fr my winter nap & only came to know tt I actually missed SO..So much. :snooze: My DS is joining u all too :rahrah:

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      kathysg2009
    • RE: PSLE 2009 RESULTS!!

      VitoRelax has a good point - why does MOE need 20 days to do posting? It should be done within couple of days. Hope someone from MOE is reading this...

      VitoRelax:
      All students are required to submit application by 2nd Dec.

      Results of posting only out on 22 Dec.

      Anyone knows why MOE needs 20 days ? Their software should be able to chune out the results based on the algorithm at the touch of a button !!

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