Excuse me. I am not a clone. I am a parent.
And I do not represent other parents so please don’t relate me to a school. I am an observer.
Kindly scroll back when I acknowledged some of the clarifications and thanked them.
There is a systemic flaw in the affiliation bonus which advantaged a small group of people. Don’t think I need to go into details.
Thank you.
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RE: DSA 2020
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RE: DSA 2020
Swc\" post_id=\"1982273\" time=\"1593073014\" user_id=\"178585:
Can you please refrain from making statements in a way that sounded like they are facts before you have personally verified them yourself?
Nobody tries to make NYGH sounds bad. Independent schools have their own rules of admissions.Kialoukui\" post_id=\"1982266\" time=\"1593071714\" user_id=\"182021:
[quote=lee_yl post_id=1982251 time=1593066852 user_id=17023]Some RGS parents are like that. They want to make NYGH sound bad.
Btw, all the IP schools are allowed to take in DSA students with T-score as low as 200. So for all IP schools, the range of students is equally wide!!
I was just surprised NYGH is a single track school which I learned yesterday in this forum.
Independent schools DO NOT have their admission rules. All are admitted under T-score COP until this year whether IP or non-IP. And the cop is determined by each year's demand for that school. Only under DSA scheme do schools (again regardless of IP or non-IP) have flexibility in how they choose students to be admitted under the scheme. Last but not least, affiliated schools have a special affiliated cop for their affiliated primary schools (again regardless of IP or non IP). And the affiliated cop are announced clearly to their affiliated pri schools before psle. No grey area for this as well. Please dun confuse everyone by making statements like IP schools have their own admission rules.[/quote]Then who decides on the affiliation bonus? The school or MOE or demand/supply? -
RE: DSA 2020
ETQsymphony\" post_id=\"1982270\" time=\"1593072210\" user_id=\"179081:
Thank you
Well, don't think Kialoukui is trying to make NYGH sound bad la..lee_yl\" post_id=\"1982251\" time=\"1593066852\" user_id=\"17023:
Some RGS parents are like that. They want to make NYGH sound bad.
Btw, all the IP schools are allowed to take in DSA students with T-score as low as 200. So for all IP schools, the range of students is equally wide!!
Anyway, I think once you go into secondary school, t-score doesn't matter anymore. So whether the range is wide or narrow, it doesn't matter also. -
RE: DSA 2020
lee_yl\" post_id=\"1982251\" time=\"1593066852\" user_id=\"17023:
Nobody tries to make NYGH sounds bad. Independent schools have their own rules of admissions.
Some RGS parents are like that. They want to make NYGH sound bad.
Btw, all the IP schools are allowed to take in DSA students with T-score as low as 200. So for all IP schools, the range of students is equally wide!!
I was just surprised NYGH is a single track school which I learned yesterday in this forum. -
RE: DSA 2020
29 points is pretty large for a pure IP school.
With HCL, it is 32 points.
At 247-250, in other schools like cedar or St nicks, they can only be offered O level track.
Anyway, Tscore will be scrapped. So discussion is over. Next year is another ball game. -
RE: DSA 2020
phtthp\" post_id=\"1982185\" time=\"1593015693\" user_id=\"35251:
Thank you for clarification. Very detailed.
as one (student) progress up into higher level,Kialoukui\" post_id=\"1982104\" time=\"1592981669\" user_id=\"182021:
Ok. My point is NYGH having a large pool of students ranges from 250-279, they are more humane in opening O level classes for those who are unable to catch up with IP.
As for RGS, there is no choice, but to either drop out of school or do badly in A levels. Because there is simply no option to do O levels. Correct me if I am wrong.
there is a difference, in the way NYGH run her IP programme at Upper Sec, vs. RGS at Upper Sec
compared to past years, in recent years,
RGS kind of relaxed her promotional selection critieria to move up into RI (Year 5), hence not likely that RGS students will drop out at end of Year 4, asked to exit to Polytechnic. Just check RGS end of Y4 promotional passing criteria, to enter RI (Year 5), in recent years. Compare this, with say, 5 or 6 years ago, that kind of promotional criteria @ end of Y4, nowadays tend to be relaxed, compared to in-the-past. That means, once an RGS student move up into RI (Year 5) for A-level, then her A-level exit end-point performance results, become the final determinant (verdict). The stress will defintely be there, in the final last 2 years of the long, ardous 6 year journey, in RI (Year 5 and 6), because PSLE certificate, is the last cert that they are holding, before sit for A-level
in contrast,
in NYGH, at end of Sec 2, she is still stringent, strict, in that
@end of Sec 2,
students must need at least (is it B3 or B4 ? grade), in those core important subjects, meaning that if on average, dont meet this requirement, the school can route u out to the SIP (on-demand) O-level class, because in the mind of NYGH school management, they feel that if students cannot even get the lowest (is it B3 or B4 ? grade) in those core important subjects, these students are not so suitable to study IP, having already spent two years Lower Sec (Y1 and Y2) inside IP track, might as well release them, let them exit properly, do O-level instead, or what u define as a more \"humane\" approach. Let them go. Well, you can take a look and verify for yourself, what's the minimum requirement, per critical (core) subject, before students at end of Sec 2 get streamed off, into SIP classes, inside NYGH. The same, apply to Hwa Chong Institution IP boys, at end of Sec 2 streaming
example
Hwa Chong, has this minimum MSG requirement, whereby if student fail to meet, will be routed to the \"SIP\" (Structured IP O-level ) class, at the end of Year 2
http://www.hci.edu.sg/admissions/high_school/assessment-promotion-criteria
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Which school, is \"humane\" ?
In my opinion, both schools are humane
1)
RGS is also humane, because by relaxing her promotional criteria at end of Year 4, to let students move up into Year 5 (RI), at least this step ensure that nobody exit out to the Polytechnic, since RGS doesn't open up any \"O-level\" class. One cannot conclude that RGS is cruel, because RGS did not open up any O-level class, to help students exit out of IP properly.
Then, the onnus depend on how responsible are the students themselves, in terms of preparing for the final exit point (A-level), inside RI (Years 5 & 6).
Now, what happen, if say, an RGS student, who because of whatever 101 posdible reasons, failed to do well, in her final exit point, ie. A-level, since the 6 year journey that started from Day 1, Year ( IP), was so long & ardous ?
Well, for a student aged 18 years old, she must answer to \"self-responsibility\", analysed what had caused her not do well, be resilient, pick herself up again, from where she is, be brave, and move on forward again.
2) NYGH is also humane,
because by letting students exit out of IP earlier at the end of Year 2, let them attend O-level preparatory lessons in the form of SIP class, offer also a way of rescuing these students, direct them back properly to the correct O-level path. And after finish O-level, they have more options (choices), what to do with their lives, where education journey is concerned. -
RE: DSA 2020
ETQsymphony\" post_id=\"1982202\" time=\"1593049556\" user_id=\"179081:
I mean the range of Tscore is wide.
Hi Kialoukui,Kialoukui\" post_id=\"1982104\" time=\"1592981669\" user_id=\"182021:
Ok. My point is NYGH having a large pool of students ranges from 250-279, they are more humane in opening O level classes for those who are unable to catch up with IP.
As for RGS, there is no choice, but to either drop out of school or do badly in A levels. Because there is simply no option to do O levels. Correct me if I am wrong.
What do you mean by \"large pool of students ranges from 250-279\"? Are you saying \"large pool actually score < COP\"?
Every year, there are about 80 students from NYPS. Out of which, I believe half scored > COP. That leaves about 40 students scoring < COP. 40/400 is only about 10% scoring < COP, I don't think this is considered \"large pool\". -
RE: DSA 2020
phtthp\" post_id=\"1982126\" time=\"1592990299\" user_id=\"35251:
1)
I did not mention 254 is for which year. It can be 2020 or 2018 so it does not matter.Kialoukui\" post_id=\"1982111\" time=\"1592983367\" user_id=\"182021:
[quote=MerlionInGermany post_id=1982109 time=1592982696 user_id=2964]
So according to this, 254 is the min for ip. Hence for dual track schools, even though moe says their ip cop that year is 253, those who got posted in, with scores below 254, will actually go to the o level track. But yet, it doesnt matter if it’s 253 or 254, as the ip cop varies from year to year.
Do you hear yourself?
What about Temasek JC which is not dual track, and has cop below 254? What do those students study?
Also, IP track are meant for top 10% of the cohort which hovers around 254. Which is also the cut off point for 3rd language.
My point is there must be a cut of point for IP for MOE to do posting. Seriously, I don’t understand why TJC COP at 250, either they are new or not so popular.
254, was not the Cut off point, for 3rd foreign language.
Last year (2019),
what was the Cut off, for Top 10% entire PSLE cohort ?
252
students armed with Raw score (252 & above), can study 3rd foreign language, at MOELC.
2)
Temasek (IP), is not new.
Since 2013,
her IP programme had started (begun). Today is Year 2020, means her IP programme had existed 7 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temasek_Junior_College
3)
fyi
Temasek (IP), at 250 (Raw score), is not even the lowest,
because 250, is the Raw score, for TJC IP admission.
Which is the IP school, with the lowest admission Raw score, that goes below 250 ?
Affliated NYPS girls, can enter NYGH, at affliated 250
Why ?
Because
NYPS primary school girls, can enter NYGH,
- at affliated (247 + 3), ie. earned 3 bonus points for HCL
or
- at affliated (248 + 2), ie. earned 2 bonus points for HCL
or
- at affliated (249 + 1), ie. earned 1 bonus point for HCL
or
- at affliated 250 (raw score),
ie. either didn't do HCL,
Or did PSLE ( HCL ), but didn't pass HCL[/quote]Thank you for clarification. At 247 is even lower than expected. It is good to have affiliation.
RGS is at 261 last year. There was a student can’t even get in with 261 Becos probably missed by decimal points. -
RE: DSA 2020
CMMom\" post_id=\"1982122\" time=\"1592988644\" user_id=\"155527:
Thank you for clarification. Nobody wants to repeat a year unless dead end.
Yes this is right.Kialoukui\" post_id=\"1982104\" time=\"1592981669\" user_id=\"182021:
Ok. My point is NYGH having a large pool of students ranges from 250-279, they are more humane in opening O level classes for those who are unable to catch up with IP.
As for RGS, there is no choice, but to either drop out of school or do badly in A levels. Because there is simply no option to do O levels. Correct me if I am wrong.
Plus third possibility is to repeat year. Not sure if it can be done voluntarily. But for sure if cannot meet promotion criteria, the student has to repeat the year (level). This becomes tricky for DSA students because still need to commit to the field entered through. -
RE: DSA 2020
MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"1982109\" time=\"1592982696\" user_id=\"2964:
I did not mention 254 is for which year. It can be 2020 or 2018 so it does not matter.Kialoukui\" post_id=\"1982048\" time=\"1592971680\" user_id=\"182021:
Yes. 254 is the minimum for any IP schools.
Kialoukui\" post_id=\"1982078\" time=\"1592978043\" user_id=\"182021:
So according to this, 254 is the min for ip. Hence for dual track schools, even though moe says their ip cop that year is 253, those who got posted in, with scores below 254, will actually go to the o level track. But yet, it doesnt matter if it’s 253 or 254, as the ip cop varies from year to year.Kialoukui\" post_id=\"1982089\" time=\"1592979264\" user_id=\"182021:[quote=Kialoukui post_id=1982089 time=1592979264 user_id=182021]It doesn’t matter 253 or 254. The IP COP varies every year at different schools.
Do you hear yourself?
What about Temasek JC which is not dual track, and has cop below 254? What do those students study?
Also, IP track are meant for top 10% of the cohort which hovers around 254. Which is also the cut off point for 3rd language.
My point is there must be a cut of point for IP for MOE to do posting. Seriously, I don’t understand why TJC COP at 250, either they are new or not so popular.