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    • RE: Water filter or purifier system

      kellylinms:
      I got my ro machine from a local seller (moosg.com). Have been using for a year now. I would say excellent quality @ competitive price. Cured my daughters skin problem and my parents loved it! they said it taste better + raw meat and vege last longer in the fridge after soaking lol. Best thing the cartridge placement super cheap. Thumbs up up up.


      peter : 9389 6783
      friendly sales guy, contact him directly!
      A word of caution for RO systems or Nano filtration systems that makes the water too pure.

      WHO has issued a warning that there are health risks from consumption of demineralised water.
      Full report here http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutrientschap12.pdf


      I have quoted important portions of the report below in quotes. Here is my summary and thoughts after reading it.

      1) Demineralised water is, RO water, distilled water, nano filtered water or any water so pure that it has little to no minerals in it.

      2) Demineralised water is harmful, takes away essential minerals from our body causing mineral deficiency which compromise the function of vital organs. Symptoms at the very beginning of this condition include tiredness, weakness and headache; more severe symptoms are muscular cramps and impaired heart rate.

      3) It is very important and beneficial for our water to contain Calcium and Magnesium. Lack of these minerals in our water will result in deficiencies within weeks or months.

      Although drinking water is not the major source of our calcium and magnesium intake, the health significance of supplemental intake of these elements from drinking water may outweigh its nutritional contribution expressed as the proportion of the total daily intake of these elements. Even in industrialized countries, diets deficient in terms of the quantity of calcium and magnesium, may not be able to fully compensate for the absence of calcium and, in particular, magnesium, in drinking water.

      4) High loss of calcium, magnesium and other essential elements (over 60%!) in food cooked with demineralised water

      5) Possible increased dietary intake of toxic metals as low-mineral leaches metals from materials in contact with water resulting in an increased metal content (highly aggressive water)

      6) Calcium and, to a lesser extent, magnesium in water and food are known to have antitoxic activity. They can help prevent the absorption of some toxic elements such as lead and cadmium from the intestine into the blood


      I am sorry for the long post and quotes as I am horrified by how much water can negatively affect us especially when Singapore does use RO and desalination, although Singapore do add in minerals after that, I rather be extra safe by adding in more to achieve the optimum level rather than just meeting the minimum requirement.

      A good filter and ionizer can be affordable and I think our families deserve good healthy drinking water! Mine only cost me $1 a day for the whole family in terms of replacement filters, for the benefits it brings, I think that is a very well spent dollar.

      It may be a lot to digest but please do your own research before making your decision on water filters, don't want to be spending lots of money yet being worse off would we?
      [quote]demineralised water is defined as water almost or completely free of dissolved minerals as a result of distillation, deionization, membrane filtration (reverse osmosis or nanofiltration), electrodialysis or other technology


      It was clear from the very beginning that desalinated or demineralised water without further enrichment with some minerals might not be fully appropriate for consumption


      Results of experiments in human volunteers evaluated by researchers for the WHO report (3) are in agreement with those in animal experiments and suggest the basic mechanism of the effects of water low in TDS (e.g. < 100 mg/L) on water and mineral homeostasis. Low-mineral water markedly: 1.) increased diuresis (almost by 20%, on average), body water volume, and serum sodium concentrations, 2.) decreased serum potassium concentration, and 3.) increased the elimination of sodium, potassium, chloride, calcium and magnesium ions from the body.


      The German Society for Nutrition reached similar conclusions about the effects of distilled water and warned the public against drinking it (7). The warning was published in response to the German edition of The Shocking Truth About Water (8), whose authors recommended drinking distilled water instead of \"ordinary\" drinking water. The Society in its position paper (7) explains that water in the human body always contains electrolytes (e.g. potassium and sodium) at certain concentrations controlled by the body. Water resorption by the intestinal epithelium is also enabled by sodium transport. If distilled water is ingested, the intestine has to add electrolytes to this water first, taking them from the body reserves. Since the body never eliminates fluid in form of \"pure\" water but always together with salts, adequate intake of electrolytes must be ensured. Ingestion of distilled water leads to the dilution of the electrolytes dissolved in the body water. Inadequate body water redistribution between compartments may compromise the function of vital organs. Symptoms at the very beginning of this condition include tiredness, weakness and headache; more severe symptoms are muscular cramps and impaired heart rate.


      The so-called \"water intoxication\" (hyponatremic shock) may also occur with rapid ingestion of excessive amounts not only of low-mineral water but also tap water. The \"intoxication\" risk increases with decreasing levels of TDS. In the past, acute health problems were reported in mountain climbers who had prepared their beverages with melted snow that was not supplemented with necessary ions. A more severe course of such a condition coupled with brain oedema, convulsions and metabolic acidosis was reported in infants whose drinks had been prepared with distilled or low-mineral bottled water


      Calcium and magnesium are both essential elements. Calcium is a substantial component of bones and teeth. In addition, it plays a role in neuromuscular excitability (i.e., decreases it), the proper function of the conducting myocardial system, heart and muscle contractility, intracellular information transmission and the coagulability of blood. Magnesium plays an important role as a cofactor and activator of more than 300 enzymatic reactions including glycolysis, ATP metabolism, transport of elements such as sodium, potassium, and calcium through membranes, synthesis of proteins and nucleic acids, neuromuscular excitability and muscle contraction. Although drinking water is not the major source of our calcium and magnesium intake, the health significance of supplemental intake of these elements from drinking water may outweigh its nutritional contribution expressed as the proportion of the total daily intake of these elements. Even in industrialized countries, diets deficient in terms of the quantity of calcium and magnesium, may not be able to fully compensate for the absence of calcium and, in particular, magnesium, in drinking water.


      Recent studies also suggest that the intake of soft water, i.e. water low in calcium, may be associated with higher risk of fracture in children (16), certain neurodegenerative diseases (17), pre-term birth and low weight at birth (18) and some types of cancer (19, 20). In addition to an increased risk of sudden death (21-23), the intake of water low in magnesium seems to be associated with a higher risk of motor neuronal disease (24), pregnancy disorders (so-called preeclampsia) (25), and some cancers


      While the effects of most chemicals commonly found in drinking water manifest themselves after long exposure, the effects of calcium and, in particular, those of magnesium on the cardiovascular system are believed to reflect recent exposures. Only a few months exposure may be sufficient consumption time effects from water that is low in magnesium and/or calcium (33). Illustrative of such short-term exposures are cases in the Czech and Slovak populations who began using reverse osmosis-based systems for final treatment of drinking water at their home taps in 2000-2002. Within several weeks or months various complaints suggestive of acute magnesium (and possibly calcium) deficiency were reported (34). The complaints included cardiovascular disorders, tiredness, weakness or muscular cramps and were essentially the same symptoms listed in the warning of the German Society for Nutrition


      Although drinking water, with some rare exceptions, is not the major source of essential elements for humans, its contribution may be important for several reasons. The modern diet of many people may not be an adequate source of minerals and microelements. In the case of borderline deficiency of a given element, even the relatively low intake of the element with drinking water may play a relevant protective role. This is because the elements are usually present in water as free ions and therefore, are more readily absorbed from water compared to food where they are mostly bound to other substances.


      Recent epidemiological studies of an ecologic design among Russian populations supplied with water varying in TDS suggest that low-mineral drinking water may be a risk factor for hypertension and coronary heart disease, gastric and duodenal ulcers, chronic gastritis, goitre, pregnancy complications and several complications in newborns and infants, including jaundice, anemia, fractures and growth disorders (36). However, it is not clear whether the effects observed in these studies are due to the low content of calcium and magnesium or other essential elements, or due to other factors.


      Lutai (37) conducted a large cohort epidemiological study in the Ust-Ilim region of Russia. The study focused on morbidity and physical development in 7658 adults, 562 children and 1582 pregnant women and their newborns in two areas supplied with water different in TDS. One of these areas was supplied with water lower in minerals (mean values: TDS 134 mg/L, calcium 18.7 mg/L, magnesium 4.9 mg/L, bicarbonates 86.4 mg/L) and the other was supplied with water higher in minerals (mean values: TDS 385 mg/L, calcium 29.5 mg/L, magnesium 8.3 mg/L, bicarbonates 243.7 mg/L). Water levels of sulfate, chloride, sodium, potassium, copper, zinc, manganese and molybdenum were also determined. The populations of the two areas did not differ from each other in eating habits, air quality, social conditions and time of residence in the respective areas. The population of the area supplied with water lower in minerals showed higher incidence rates of goiter, hypertension, ischemic heart disease, gastric and duodenal ulcers, chronic gastritis, cholecystitis and nephritis. Children living in this area exhibited slower physical development and more growth abnormalities, pregnant women suffered more frequently from edema and anemia. Newborns of this area showed higher morbidity. The lowest morbidity was associated with water having calcium levels of 30-90 mg/L, magnesium levels of 17-35 mg/L, and TDS of about 400 mg/L (for bicarbonate containing waters). The author concluded that such water could be considered as physiologically optimum.


      When used for cooking, soft water was found to cause substantial losses of all essential elements from food (vegetables, meat, cereals). Such losses may reach up to 60 % for magnesium and calcium or even more for some other microelements (e.g., copper 66 %, manganese 70 %, cobalt 86 %). In contrast, when hard water is used for cooking, the loss of these elements is much lower, and in some cases, an even higher calcium content was reported in food as a result of cooking (38-41). Since most nutrients are ingested with food, the use of low-mineral water for cooking and processing food may cause a marked deficiency in total intake of some essential elements that was much higher than expected with the use of such water for drinking only. The current diet of many persons usually does not provide all necessary elements in sufficient quantities, and therefore, any factor that results in the loss of essential elements and nutrients during the processing and preparation of food could be detrimental for them.

      Possible increased dietary intake of toxic metals
      Increased risk from toxic metals may be posed by low-mineral water in two ways: 1.) higher leaching of metals from materials in contact with water resulting in an increased metal content in drinking water, and 2.) lower protective (antitoxic) capacity of water low in calcium and magnesium. Low-mineralized water is unstable and therefore, highly aggressive to materials with which it comes into contact. Such water more readily dissolves metals and some organic substances from pipes, coatings, storage tanks and containers, hose lines and fittings, being incapable of forming low-absorbable complexes with some toxic substances and thus reducing their negative effects.


      Calcium and, to a lesser extent, magnesium in water and food are known to have antitoxic activity. They can help prevent the absorption of some toxic elements such as lead and cadmium from the intestine into the blood, either via direct reaction leading to formation of an unabsorbable compound or via competition for binding sites (44-50). Although this protective effect is limited, it should not be dismissed. Populations supplied with low-mineral water may be at a higher risk in terms of adverse effects from exposure to toxic substances compared to populations supplied with water of average mineralization and hardness.


      The Czech National Institute of Public Health (34) in Prague has tested products intended for contact with drinking water and found, for example, that the pressure tanks of reverse osmosis units are prone to bacterial regrowth, primarily do to removal of residual disinfectant by the treatment. They also contain a rubber bag whose surface appears to be favourable for bacterial growth.


      Conclusions by WHO
      Drinking water should contain minimum levels of certain essential minerals (and other components such as carbonates). Unfortunately, over the two past decades, little research attention has been given to the beneficial or protective effects of drinking water substances. The main focus has been on the toxicological properties of contaminants. Nevertheless, some studies have attempted to define the minimum content of essential elements or TDS in drinking water, and some countries have included requirements or guidelines for selected substances in their drinking water regulations. The issue is relevant not only where drinking water is obtained by desalination (if not adequately re-mineralised) but also where home treatment or central water treatment reduces the content of important minerals and low-mineral bottled water is consumed.

      Drinking water manufactured by desalination is stabilized with some minerals, but this is usually not the case for water demineralised as a result of household treatment. Even when stabilized, the final composition of some waters may not be adequate in terms of providing health benefits. Although desalinated waters are supplemented mainly with calcium (lime) or other carbonates, they may be deficient in magnesium and other microelements such as fluorides and potassium. Furthermore, the quantity of calcium that is supplemented is based on technical considerations (i.e., reducing the aggressiveness) rather than on health concerns. Possibly none of the commonly used ways of re-mineralization could be considered optimum, since the water does not contain all of its beneficial components. Current methods of stabilization are primarily intended to decrease the corrosive effects of demineralised water.

      Demineralised water that has not been remineralized, or low-mineral content water – in the light of the absence or substantial lack of essential minerals in it – is not considered ideal drinking water, and therefore, its regular consumption may not be providing adequate levels of some beneficial nutrients. This chapter provides a rationale for this conclusion. The evidence in terms of experimental effects and findings in human volunteers related to highly demineralised water is mostly found in older studies, some of which may not meet current methodological criteria. However, these findings and conclusions should not be dismissed. Some of these studies were unique, and the intervention studies, although undirected, would hardly be scientifically, financially, or ethically feasible to the same extent today. The methods, however, are not so questionable as to necessarily invalidate their results. The older animal and clinical studies on health risks from drinking demineralised or low-mineral water yielded consistent results both with each other, and recent research has tended to be supportive.

      Sufficient evidence is now available to confirm the health consequences from drinking water deficient in calcium or magnesium. Many studies show that higher water magnesium is related to decreased risks for CVD and especially for sudden death from CVD. This relationship has been independently described in epidemiological studies with different study designs, performed in different areas, different populations, and at different times. The consistent epidemiological observations are supported by the data from autopsy, clinical, and animal studies. Biological plausibility for a protective effect of magnesium is substantial, but the specificity is less evident due to the multifactorial aetiology of CVD. In addition to an increased risk of sudden death, it has been suggested that intake of water low in magnesium may be associated with a higher risk of motor neuronal disease, pregnancy disorders (so-called preeclampsia), sudden death in infants, and some types of cancer. Recent studies suggest that the intake of soft water, i.e. water low in calcium, is associated with a higher risk of fracture in children, certain neurodegenerative diseases, pre-term birth and low weight at birth and some types of cancer. Furthermore, the possible role of water calcium in the development of CVD cannot be excluded.

      International and national authorities responsible for drinking water quality should consider guidelines for desalination water treatment, specifying the minimum content of the relevant elements such as calcium and magnesium and TDS. If additional research is required to establish guidelines, authorities should promote targeted research in this field to elaborate the health benefits. If guidelines are established for substances that should be in deminerialised water, authorities should ensure that the guidelines also apply to uses of certain home treatment devices and bottled waters.
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    • RE: Water filter or purifier system

      tutorchen:
      ramster:



      If the filter is good, the water will taste different. I use Ultrastream at work and home. The water taste much better, a lot more refreshing and easy to drink. I found myself drinking a lot more water after I started using it.

      I used to bring 2L of my own filtered water to work until my boss installed the Ultrastream as well after he tried me water šŸ˜„

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      how much does it cost?


      It probably should have cost over $2000 given what it can do but it cost only $999 (as of Nov 2016) yet produces equal or better quality drinking water than ionizers 3 to 8 times its price! Highly value for money at an affordable price. I was once a user of those $7000+ ionizer and have now made the switch to Ultrastream for a year, wish I found out about Ultrastream earlier...

      No maintenance, no waste water, better filtration and dissolved hydrogen level. + Lab tested for lifetime of the filter, can't find anything else even close to it.

      posted in Domestic Help
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      ramster
    • RE: Water filter or purifier system

      MyPillow:
      starlight1968sg:

      Am cheapo, the hyflux pitcher works ok for my family just that i hv no boiling or hot water supply fast but it is ok


      does the water taste different ,filtered by pitcher?


      So after installation of such filtration ,do u guys bring 2L of house water out to work since office water n home water differ in taste?
      How abt any diff in taste in coffee,tea, milo making?

      If the filter is good, the water will taste different. I use Ultrastream at work and home. The water taste much better, a lot more refreshing and easy to drink. I found myself drinking a lot more water after I started using it.

      I used to bring 2L of my own filtered water to work until my boss installed the Ultrastream as well after he tried me water šŸ˜„

      https://postimg.org/image/d0j3cor4t/

      https://postimg.org/image/scjl2xmk9/

      https://postimg.org/image/9ydncoznd/

      posted in Domestic Help
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      ramster
    • RE: Water filter or purifier system

      janet88:
      Running costs is very important when using water filter/purifier system.

      Some require filters to be changed every 6 months and each filter can run up to a few hundred dollars.
      I agree, more importantly is the maintenance time required. Some machines require regular cleaning every 2 weeks which is very troublesome. It is much more convenient to use one that is plug and play. Only need to replace filter once a year.

      posted in Domestic Help
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      ramster
    • RE: Water filter or purifier system

      Hi Everyone


      Searching for the right water filter is really difficult with so many brands out there all claiming that they are the best. In the search for the most suitable filter for my family, I have tried Kangen, Echo (From US) and finally Ultrastream (From Australia). The journey took me over 3 years testing and learning more about water below are some of my finding/sharing which I hope will help you in your search for the most suitable water filter for your family.

      http://alkaway.sg/water-ionizers-obsolete-industry-veteran-shares/

      Above is a link on some important notes on how to choose a water filter or ionizer. Do download the pdf and give it a read. It saves one a lot of time finding out all these information and comparing them. This has been the most unbiased report I have found weighing the pros and cons of each filter/ionizer type, it is also in line with what I have learned myself while researching on water filters.


      Here are my thoughts on choosing a water filter.
      1) Convenience, Zero Maintenance. I find it best to have a filter that has minimum maintenance requirements or filter changes. Less items to worry about. Ionizers that requires 2h every 2 weeks are a big drain of time and money in the long run.

      2) Waste water. Most electrolysis ionizers create waste acidic water which is difficult to utilize. I found myself wasting a lot of precious water using such ionizers.
      (Yes I can use it for laundry/mop the floor etc, but it is not everyday that I do those and I create more waste water than I can use which goes down the drain) Please do not keep the water too long to prevent mosquito from breeding!

      3) Molecular hydrogen/dissolved hydrogen. More studies are now coming up attributing the benefits of alkaline water to the hydrogen content in it. (Which is what gives it the negative ORP. Note: high negative ORP not equal high hydrogen content, ask for the actual dissolved hydrogen content which is measured in ppm. The higher the better. Above 0.8 is good.
      More about Molecular hydrogen on the Molecular Hydrogen Foundation website. This website should be able to answer most of your questions about alkaline water with scientific evidence and studies.
      http://www.molecularhydrogenfoundation.org/
      http://www.molecularhydrogenfoundation.org/core-information/alkaline-ionized-water-characteristics-benefits-and-future/

      4) Filtration ability for the lifetime of the filter. If they claim 3000 litres, I would want to know the quality of my water after 3000 litres. When used beyond the recommended range, some filters start to dirty your water by releasing the contaminants in the filter back into your water, making it worse than without a filter. I like to be safe from the 1st to the last drop. If a company is good, they should dare publish the results after 3000 litres not just when the filter is brand new.

      5) The contaminants it removes. Fluoride, Chloramine and Heavy Metals are the important ones to me. Chloramine or Monochloramine is another form of chlorine added to our water, but Chloramine is much more difficult to remove compared to chlorine. Check out the PUB water quality report here.
      Note: water should still retain some minerals, natural spring water has mineral content which is good for our body. If you use an RO filter, do ensure that it puts back minerals into the water, it is not recommended to be drinking pure RO water in the long run. Natural spring water with minerals is what nature intended, pure RO water isn't.

      6) Technology advancement. Is the filter able to take advantage of new technology after you purchased your unit? Or would you require a brand new machine in the future? If the filter can be upgraded without much cost on our side as a consumer, that would be ideal.

      7) Cost including time cost. The price of water filter varies a lot, choose one with a pricing you are comfortable with. Take not to account for the cost of owning the filter no just the initial cost. Cost of owning includes, filter replacement cost including prefilters if the ionizer does not have a good filter. Maintenance cost, cleaning powders and time taken. Electricity usage, water wastage. Many electrolysis units needs an annual deep cleaning due to calcium build up, this takes longer and cost more. If you are sending to the company, it means time without a water filter at home + inconvenience of transporting the machine around.

      šŸ˜Ž Taste. Of course, most importantly, the water must taste good to you and your family. The better it taste the more likely you drink more water which would improve your health as well. Clean refreshing water means kids are more willing to drink more water too as it taste better. I found myself to be drinking at least twice as much now that I swapped to my new water filter as I enjoyed its refreshing taste.

      It has been quite a long post and I hope my sharing helps in your journey to find your ideal water filter.

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