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    • RE: GEP 2012 - Screening & Selection

      FQW:
      As a bystander, may I ask a candid question?


      What's the difference between a parent who sends her kid to GEP preparation class vs one who buys those GEP assessment books and prepares her kid on her own? For the latter, if the kid qualifies, will she also struggle in P4?

      Seeing how things here can get misinterpreted sometimes, I wish to reiterate that I'm only curious to hear differing views, not veering towards any sides at all.
      The question is, why are they even 'preparing' the child for the selection?

      Honestly, no one can say for sure if a child is prep or not will or will not 'suffer' under the program.

      Probably with proper support and a very well organised individual, the child may just do well in GEP, just like a naturally selected child may not do well in GEP.

      But the question is, what is this program meant to be, who is it meant for? I have given my views before, so I shan't repeat them here.

      Anyway, if a child can be taught to do well, surely being in the mainstream would be just as easy for them to do well and get into a good school.

      Cheers.

      posted in GEP
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    • RE: GEP 2012 - Screening & Selection

      PiggyLalala:
      Just wonder... Those kids who find maths easier - is it because they attend MO training classes. Such classes are common these days.


      Both my children do not go for MO classes. They found maths tougher than English. Wonder shld I send ds2 for MO class? Any comments fr anyone.
      MO classes seem more like an advanced math program than something to help children find maths interesting. Rather it should be those who find math interesting that would like to join MO.

      Perhaps you should ask what tickles your children's fancy? How would they find math more interesting to want to learn more about it than just doing sums and repeated practices.

      The key is not to have kids already know the questions before attempting them so they will say they find it easy, but rather, that they have the interest and curiosity to learn, so given a new topic, they find the joy in learning how the problem was solved, and thus find learning it easy.

      Cheers.

      posted in GEP
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    • RE: GEP 2012 - Screening & Selection

      sunnymumsy:
      Heard that the top scorers for PSLE are generally not from GEP... if that is the case, what's the point of GEP apart frm prestige? Can someone enlighten me? How will it help a student?

      GEP is not a program to help any child do well in PSLE or studies for that matter.

      GEP is catered for children who naturally possess the intellectual maturity to be able to grasp more complex concepts and ideas easily and on their own (as compared to their peers). This does not mean they will always do well in exams.

      Children of such abilities are known to have asynchronous development, that is, while they are more mature in intellect, they are still basically kids at heart, and struggle like other kids in terms of growing up. There are some more serious 'cons' associated with this unbalanced development, when it comes to dealing with social norms, or dealing with authority.

      Because of this, a number of these children may not fit well in mainstream, either through boredom (because they can grasp and understand in a short time what their peers take several worksheets to figure out), and lose interest, or start challenging or disturbing others. Some classify these kids as children with special needs, and rightfully so in many aspects.

      Thus the perceived need for smaller class size for GEP students (need more attention), and more topics that challenges their intellect.

      And so, one should never, ever, train for the GEP selection, these kids are expected to learn in the classroom, or on their own reading, the topics, not by tuition, or drilling.

      Having said this, I'm not advocating that GEP is a good program, but we find one that fits the child, and provide for them what they need to be able to survive on their own, and also find the joy in getting an education regardless of mainstream or otherwise.

      Cheers.

      posted in GEP
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    • RE: GEP 2012 - Screening & Selection

      keroppi:
      gogoahead:

      [quote=\"exhaustedmum\"]Hi, my gal got thru the GEP round 1! Is there anything I should do now to help her prepare for Round 2? Feeling guilty as I don't spend much time teaching her (have been focusing on my elder daug who is in P5) & she only has Chinese tuition.


      Anyone, any advice? Btw this is the 1st time I posted in this forum..... din know it's so easy.

      i also no idea what to prepare and how to prepare it.

      There's really nothing to prepare for at all.
      If your child gets in, it means he/she is up to par for the programme (by his/her own merit).
      If not, it does not matter - life goes on in mainstream where the majority of the cohort is.[/quote] :goodpost: Correct, there is nothing to prepare. Except maybe pencil and eraser šŸ˜‚

      Just tell the child to enjoy answering the questions in the second round and have fun.

      Cheers.

      posted in GEP
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    • RE: GEP 2012 - Screening & Selection

      sunnymumsy:
      yes she is PSLE 2015. i meant that the last batch taking old syllabus will be tough so means that the unknown for 2015 is greatest!

      I don't see any reason why the last batch will have a tough PSLE. It should be as unpredictable like any other year :roll:

      Cheers.

      posted in GEP
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    • RE: How to tell if a child is gifted?

      2ppaamm:

      All the best to you! I'm sure the journey will be fruitful and gratifying. šŸ™‚
      Thank You. šŸ™‚

      posted in Working With Your Child
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    • RE: How to tell if a child is gifted?

      2ppaamm:

      These days, I am wondering as well. Even those among us who were sent to good universities on our taxpayers' money are sometimes disappointing with their views and personalities. Many lack depth and empathy, definitely not knowledge and scholarship. They write with fluency and accuracy, but their essays lack souls. They can quote Socrates, educated in the wisdom of man, but they lack understanding. They spend time writing with a thesaurus in their hands, but they forget to search the meaning of their experiences. Unfortunately, good schools can only teach so much.
      This is what was pointed out in the park bench scene, that, despite his genius, his words lack depth and wisdom, and it showed.
      2ppaamm:
      Most children will NOT be spotted and nurtured in a society such as ours. Fortunately, I managed to find other societies which are much more willing to identify and nurture those who do not fit a narrow definition of giftedness to make them worthy of opportunities.
      It is good that you managed to find such a place, and be able to move there. Many do not have the opportunity. And even in the very same society that offers this, I believe there are still a good number that gets missed out for various reasons. I'm not able to comment about the 'Most' in your words, because I don't have the knowledge (nor experience) to back up any claims.
      2ppaamm:
      As parents and educators, we can only facilitate and not teach. Sometimes, all they need are opportunities, and often even these are robbed from those who are the most vulnerable, and therefore who need them the most.
      As parents, we have to try to understand the child and not expect the 'experts' to give advice that we have to follow faithfully. If that's the case then children and people in general are no better than robots that can be trained by a set of rules. At the end of the day, a doctor, educator can only give advice based on their observation of majority of cases they have seen, but it is the caregivers, parents who will know, is this the 'normal' behavior, is there something underlying, not easily noticed by that few short moment of professional analysis, but only through a long process of bonding, and understanding, can that sparkle be seen.

      You are right, we can facilitate, educate, but not teach.
      2ppaamm:
      You are right that we cannot expect the masses to get the kind of education akin to that provided by the Ivies, they are truly of a different league. My hope is not that the masses go to Ivy Leagues, but for the educators to be educated enough to provide similar education to the masses. Perhaps it is too tall an order, but it does not harm dreaming and hoping. And if we reach there, it really does not matter whether any child is gifted or not, because each will be given the opportunity to be respected, and his potential maximized. I guess it does not harm to start by believing that day is coming soon.
      Actually I wasn't really referring to education akin to the ivys šŸ†’ , but education that caters to these 'special needs' for the masses. But I do agree that the educators need to be aware and understand the underlying intention of an education, and not just by mere 'teaching' is their job done.

      But I do hold the believe that the biggest responsibility lies with the parents, whether they are able to understand their children, and their needs, how best they can achieve their potential and yet be able to enjoy life's experiences. And if necessary, pursue a road less travelled in order to facilitate their growth mentally, healthily.

      As of now, what I can observe, is that our society as a whole, is not in a healthy state. But I have come across very good individuals, who, as teachers, are able to bring about a sense of perspective when it comes to bringing up children, and education for the young. And that gives me a sense of hope.

      Cheers.

      posted in Working With Your Child
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    • RE: How to tell if a child is gifted?

      You're right about the video I mentioned. I don't think much about the Harvard scene though, it's an age-old problem where a 'bright' student is able to regurgitate and get him/herself in a good school. And in a way, both of them were pretty much 'regurgitating', just that someone had the ability to absorb more from reading outside of the syllabus šŸ˜‰


      I have no particular opinions about Harvard or any of those ivy league universities, never had a chance to know them to have any opinion 🤷

      I'm not sure if there's a good way to teach the masses the way you think we should all be taught, the keyword here being 'masses'. So yes, I can agree you can teach a good number of them, but to reach out to have a good level of education for a good portion of the population, certain choices have to be made.

      I'm not so worried about what they are being taught, more concerned about how they are being taught. And whether a child with potential is spotted and nurtured, or is he/she being stifled and pressed back to conformance.

      I'm definitely not as knowledgeable/experienced as you about teaching and nurturing talents and on academic topics, so what I express here are just my personal views and based on what I have experienced and observed.

      Cheers.

      posted in Working With Your Child
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    • RE: How to tell if a child is gifted?

      2ppaamm:
      venuschan:

      All Parents,


      Sharing here an interesting BUT important article on what is gifted/precococious child and its correlation in life.

      Cheers.

      http://www.alternet.org/culture/can-genius-really-be-detected-infancy?page=0%2C0&akid=9378.1085969.JwpXas&rd=1&src=newsletter708628&t=18

      Very interesting article, and I like the writer's tone and the way things are put. How true, even with IQ this level, it does not mean anything at all. There are so many more things in life to worry about and to take care of. Sometimes, I do think it is a bigger blessing to have an IQ slightly lower, about 130 (or top 1%) and have a bigger EQ. EQ of 159. Also, the kind of expectation can be hard to live up to. People expect you to know everything, and behave 10 years older. They forget that the child is only high IQ. To get into uni, an average 18 year just need to be better than their peers, but a younger child needs to score full marks.

      Having a high IQ is not necessarily a big blessing, there are other things in life so much more important - zeal, enthusiasm, passion, life skills. All these make people successful. IQ is just one small, small component people focus too much on. PLUS, heh heh... IQ tests are so biased, and doesn't say much about us as people. So even at this kind of IQ level, it means nothing.

      Said many times and will say again. It is about doing extraordinary things. A genius is one who does things others don't even dream about. Not one who is born with more and does little with whatever given him.

      If I so may use a clip from a movie, The park bench scene from the movie \"Good Will Hunting\", I think it epitomises the difference between wisdom and intelligence, experience and knowledge. IQ scores and intellectual achievements are good to have, but never forget other things in life, and how one should learn to appreciate it, live it, experience it.

      Such is the possibility that a child who is caught up academically may lose sight of other important things, and possibly even more so for one so gifted that they cannot fathom taking the trouble to find out about the other, because what he/she is gifted in is so easy to achieve.

      As parents, it is important not to lose sight of things once we become too focus on certain objectives.

      Cheers.

      posted in Working With Your Child
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    • RE: How to tell if a child is gifted?

      2ppaamm:
      venuschan:

      The boy is in Junior College now. Sitting for A level next year. She told me his age, but can't certainly say if he is 16/17/18.


      So far, most GEP kids are ok, like most regular kids, but a handful of GEP children I met seem to have a bit of problem, drop out of (very good) university, abandon parent, gone to poly, become reclusive and lock himself in, one refuse to go to school and employ tutors instead. Very sad to see. Somehow, I think the smarter the child, the more endangered he is, and as parents, we have to spend with himm to make sure he is secured emotionally. When they are at 21 or 22, it is impossible to turn them around.

      So, it is perfectly fine to be average. šŸ˜‰

      It is always important to remember that 'gifted' young children are in an asynchronous development state, some part of them are advanced and 'matured', but mentality and wisdom is still very much a child.

      As much as we should help them be interested in developing their skills which they are gifted in, we must never forget that they are still a child, and are subject to the same feelings and thinking of children who cannot fully comprehend a world they have only just coming to experience.

      And with a mind that can perhaps understand complex concepts and academic subjects, they may struggle even more to come to terms that they may not be able to easily comprehend certain things in life, and thus they are sometimes in a way, more vulnerable than 'average' kids.

      As I mentioned in another post, for the lack of a better phrase, 'Gifted' children are children with special needs. The term 'gifted' and GEP have many times led to a wrong idea of what these children really need, really are.

      Cheers.

      posted in Working With Your Child
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