80 is a very small number as compared to other JC’s O level intake and I dont think its going to drastically change the dynamics of both schools.(May be there will be a gradual increase in coming years) If a student want to do A level and experience JC life, then I think a real JC (ie VJC) will be a preferred choice. You cant really compared a high school with about 400 student per cohort with a JC of 800-1000 students…the dynamics is totally different…but of course some will like a small close knit environment.

phtthp:

UBKmom:

Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.

In terms of entry point COP into Junior colleges, Nanyang JC is impressive. At the very most, we can use the word \"impressive\" or \"look attractive, appealing to enter Nanyang Junior College \", because this is a fair statement. Nanyang JC had done well, keep Up your spirit !

However, the moment we mention the word \"amongst Top\" JC, we No longer just look at the entry Cut-off-point, alone

Far more important is the Final, Exit END-point results, and that is looking at the performance of the \"QUALITY\" GCE \"A\" level results breakdown in detail, by H2 subject.

The same analogy arise, when we compare our primary schools' PSLE results, to explain clearer.
When we compare primary schools' PSLE results, what do we look out for?

a)
We look out for the percentage of \"QUALITY A / A *\" PSLE results, of the core 4 subjects (EL / MA / SC / Mother Tongue & Higher Mother Tongue)

A : 75 and above

A * : 91 and above


b)
We look at the number or the percentage of students, who scored 250 and above, in that primary school.


c)
We look at the Average / Mean T-score of the entire P6 PSLE cohort performance, in that individual primary school.


Do you ever look at the Entry point or Entrance point into Primary 1, that is how popular is that hot-favorable primary school in demand, during Phase 2C (less than 1 km) balloting, to determine or decide whether that primary school is amongst the Top schools in Sg ?
No, you don't !

Instead, what do we look for ?
We look at the Final, EXIT point Performance results, ie. the PSLE cohort performance, in that particular school.
It is the results of the entire cohort, that speaks for itself !

Likewise, the same concept applies to Junior Colleges -
again, we look at the Final, EXIT GCE A level performance results, of a particular Junior college.


Recall that Chinese, common saying ?

\"It is Not how you start or begin the race, that is important. Rather, it is how you END at the finishing line , that is Important !\"

In the same reasoning, there are IP students who started the begining of the Secondary school education (6 years ahead) who acquired impressive T-score, via lots of drilling, through tons of tuition in Primary 5 and 6.

However, along the way, what happen to them ?
Some of them felt very tired, couldn't cope with rigorous IP course with 8 subjects in Sec vs. 4 subjects & with heavy demand of Cca commitment plus other reasons : drop out halfway, exited at end of Sec 4, or retained at end of JC 1 (Year 5) or did badly at JC2.
Whether they can continue to Exit at the final, destination point with good A level results, is a question mark they have to answer themselves.

Unless and until someone come forward willingly to prove to everyone and to furnish the detailed breakdown by individual subject the H2 performance of the core Science and core Arts A-level subjects, & compare against that of National Junior college, for at least past 3 years' A level results consistently, to prove a consistent trend worth-noting performance, otherwise it is Wrong to use entrance Cut-off-point to decide & to determine if Nanyang JC A-level results is indeed the #4 Junior College, throughout entire Singapore.

Wow...I did not expect such a response but I merely stating the fact lah...NYJC is really TOP 4 jc in Singapore based on COP mah....I think its good to have competition so that everyone can improve and I like to see disruptor challenging the status quo to keep everyone on the toe. I remembered during my time, NYJC was really a very ulu jc and NJ/TJ is high up there but look what happen today. Is the rise of NYJC is due more to hype or substance (good A level results)? The fact that they are able to attract i guess the top 10% of JAE student is a commendable effort. They must be doing something correct/good to attract them.(I mean location does play a part but come on, they have been there for decades and a football field is really just a football field lei. But I super like EJC's field on rooftop, something different!)I believe that if you depend on good marketing/hype to attract people, time will expose your empty vessel, words/gossip travel fast.

I am not sure what is happening with NJC but to pin the reason to EJC operating at Sinai is not exactly correct. I dont know how many of CHS, SCGS and SNG top students go to NJ previously, I guess those top student will mainly go to RI, HCI or VJC taking into their secondary school location, SAP status etc and I doubt EJC is a serious competitor of NJC with their current infant stage (no offence to EJC). NJC is not new to competition, they have been surviving well sitting next to HCI and others like ACJC, ACSI, RI (previously at Sinai). I guess the main issue is with more school going the IP/IB route and more good students going poly, NJC is stuck in the middle, either here nor there, there are losing their niche or distinctions to attract good student. I mean if I am good I will go HCI or RI,if I am 5 - 12 pointers, I have alot more JCs or Poly to choose from. Will NJC goes down the road of TJC, I am not sure. Will they flourish again after EJC move back to Bishan, I doubt so. Will EJC suffer the same fate as NJC sitting beside a giant (RI), I hope not. Like I say, I like disruptor.

As for the end result (A level performance), without all JCs release their complete results and standard of measurement (UAP, nos of 3As, 4As etc, there is really no way of comparing, however, if you take the top 15/20 secondary school based on PSLE COP, do you think their O level performance (if those IP school also takes O level) will not follow their PSLE COP ranking? (may be not same ranking but still within top 20). Then, can we also make the same assumption on those JCs based on O level COP?

PS: I have nothing to do with NYJC or NJC.

Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don’t hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.

I guess nothing is forever in Singapore and with finite land/resources, something got to go when the push come. This is not the first time schools are closed and it wont be the last.


People will normally takes the easier route and this time, the 8 JCs are selected because they are to be frank, easier to pick on and offer the least resistance. Again, under normal circumstances, it is a logical choice, closing down those least popular one. If not, are people expecting gov to merge or close down RI/HCI/VJ? That will upset even more people with power and influential. No body in the right mind will tear down a proven and successful institution with illustrious alumni.

I know a lot of people will be angry with what I have said but life is never equal.

slmkhoo:

UBKmom:

No, the psychological test is conducted by a psychiatrist, one-to-one.

There is such a test? That's new to me!
I was referring to the psychometric test, I guess, the one the students take en masse.

The psychometeric test is more like testing your IQ and reasoning skills.

The psychologist interview is after the psychometric test.

No, the psychological test is conducted by a psychiatrist, one-to-one.

slmkhoo:

It's a basic screening test, I guess. Since so many take it, it doesn't mean all that much. I expect the psychological test is more important? My daughter came home and then rushed out again, so I didn't get to find out what sort of questions they were asked. In my time, I recall questions about whether we wet the bed, and how often we thought about death!

From what I know and read, those that reach the psychological test stage will be seen by the PSC scholarship selection committee.

Yes, its not only for PSC, those who went for the PSC interview but did not get an offer from them, their applications will be flushed down to the individual ministries and stat board for consideration.

With this announcement, I think those top IP schools will become more selective or strict in admitting students through DSA by academic domain and more will be admitted under sports or performance or cca…good and bad…


Lets see this year whether RI/HCI still requires students to take GAT or other ability tests…

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/20-of-secondary-school-places-to-be-reserved-for-students-with/3572204.html


Personally, I prefer to be at least 30%.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/dsa-to-exclude-academic-test-as-criteria-by-2018-ng-chee-meng/3572054.html


I think it is going to add more stress to the students as the students would have to learn a skill or develop a niche area from young to qualify for DSA beside academic....people with more resources will still have an advantage....