My girl went for interview yesterday. nygh dsa will hold today and tomorrow as well.[/quote]


Hi, can you elaborate on the interview process? Was it in a group or individual? What kinds of questions did they ask? Thank you.

ruohoo97:

NYGH called me today, (Sunday, they really work hard), told me that DSA is in the process and will inform us for interview when needed. I wonder why, just add more stress.

Hi, is your DD GEP or mainstream?

Otah:

wrt NYHS case. I think there is a difference between DSA vs affiliations scheme. DSA is by outstanding result(with supporting leadership or subject talent profile) or sport talent selection while affiliations scheme is purely by PSLE T-score at a lower cut-off. So if a mainstream NYPS has no specialities for DSA she can still get in via a lower PSLE cut-off thru affiliation scheme. DSA is an independent process for talent selection so why should there be affiliation consideration? It is the same in all schools.

So, basically, if one is not applying under GEP/Leadership/sports CCA/ Music CCA, may not be a good idea to apply under Academic ? Then why does NYGH website state that students can apply under Academic ? Seems misleading if chances are very slim.

Just curious... what school are tier 1, tier 2, tier 3... where am I able to check this information?


Yes... HCI ask DSA applicant to pay $50 and submit supporting documents, only when they are shortlisted... I think very good process.. save time and $$ [/quote]

I meant - TOP schools i.e. Tier 1, about 2-3 schools in number Not Tier 2-3 schools

Abt last yr, were these ‘academically not as strong’ students fr other schools having ‘talents’ dat were sought by NYGH,

n they were better in their respective ‘talents’ in dat domain than those fr NYPS who applied thro’ DSA?
If d answers r yes, then NYGH is being fair n proper in getting d best candidates for limited slots.

D given reason dat those students were peeved by DSA rejection when they didn’t make d cut,
n turned to other schools to ‘prove a point’ doesn’t resonate with ur reason dat they wanted to
stay in d Nanyang family for d love of d school n to maintain Nanyang spirit.
If they truly feel belonged n love d school, they can still opt for NYGH during S1 posting
where NYPS girls do enjoy a fairly large discount on COP dat many non-NYPS students wld ‘die’ for.
If wat u claimed is true, it’s unequitable treatment to those NYPS girls –
n shd be brought to d attention of d school management if they can be substantiated.
Conversely, if it cannot be substantiated, IMV those disgruntled ppl r just asking for better,
but unfair treatment (to other students) in NYGH DSA selection.
Frankly, dis type of ‘unsubstantiated rumour’ is not gud for d Nanyang spirit.[/quote]

Much of the talk started at the start of this year, mainly because a number of 2011 ‘outstanding’ NYPS students were rejected by NYGH at the DSA stage despite appealing but ended up going to 2-3 TOP TIER ‘rival’ schools either through DSA or higher PSLE score. Thus, as expected people talked about this. Some may argue if these girls were outstanding in the first place, the fact that they were welcomed by NYGH’s top rival schools would seem to support that they were.

The 2011 COs for NYPS girls was believed to markedly less compared to previous years. However, this last point, is hearsay.

I didn't quote ur whole post but I only showed d relevant points in ur post dat I responding to.


Hard to believe NYPS P6s were discouraged to DSA for NYGH coz as recently as in a school talk n roadshow before d June holidays, NYGH was present n NYPS staff did not specifically discourage those present not to try for NYGH.
Seems to me NYGH wld be out of their minds to reject students fr its affiliated primary school thro’ DSA exercise IF they qualify n will be an asset to d school.
How r NYPS P6s disadvantaged in DSA for NYGH? :skeptical:
I gathered fr ur 5 posts dat u r not pleased dat NYPS P6s r not given priority over other students during DSA.
Is dat ur main point of contention?[/quote]

Dear Waytogo,

My reply to your question is not really. From what we heard and know of last year, quite a few were not offered CO because these places were deemed to be better reserved for students from other schools ( varied talents but academically not as strong) and because the NYPS students were expected to get in via the COP. To some extent, this has its own rationale but because of this, many did not even bother to try DSA into their own sister school this year or they tried to DSA into even more schools aside from NYGH & RGS. For exmaple, there seemed to be an increased number of applicants to 2 top girls' missionary school recently. Just have to look at how many NYPS students sat for their other tests, aside from GAT.

[I believe there were many non-NYPS students who did not get CO from NYGH but at the end scored very well for PSLE. So, how could you conculde that the NYPS students were disadvantaged for DSA by their sister school just because you knew a few similar cases? There could be many possible reasons for not getting a CO e.g. not doing well for the DSA tests, interview etc. The students who scored very well in both the school exams and PSLE may not be the top students for the domain they applied for. Bear in mind that the school may take in only very few students for each domain, maybe just 1 or 2 for certain domains.[/quote]


Greetings! Perhaps we all view the same topic differently because everyone comes from a different angle but if you can bear with me, please let me clarify something.

First of all, about 45% of all NYPS 2011 cohort DSA-ed into schools of their choice. Assuming that indeed NYGH prefered to take NYPS girls via PSLE COP instead of DSA route, many of the best students were grabbed up by other schools via the DSA route. Imagine if you were a 11-12 year old tween, would you not prefer to take a RGS/NUSH/MGS etc DSA if they offered you as compared to waiting to see if you can achieve the COP. Almost all GEPs and HA students DSA, not because they cant achieve the COP but because if the school offering DSA is also reputable,why not?

The other thing is an issue that non Nanyang alumnis may not understand. I am an old girl from NYGH. Many alumni worry that if we lose our girls even before the DSA process has started, it is a waste. Nanyang girls are not only known for academic prowess and bilingual skills but more critically, they are proud to be from this family. This sense of pride comes from going through the formative years of 7- 16. In fact, secondary school years are even more influential. The Nanyang experience has been enhanced by the immense practical and emotional support from the alumni.

In general, a good balanced child who has been inculcated with Nanyang (some would say "chinese" ) values & memories & then is embraced by NYGH will naturally be more inclined to contribute/help her school as an adult. It is only human to respond that way. A strong and dedicated alumni will enhance the experience of a Nanyang (traditional chinese) education for future generations of children from all walks of life. This whole issue is not merely about a group of children.

KS4Son:

Kiasucy:

Every year many parents try to get their gal to NYPS or transfer to NYPS from another primary school because of this affiliation scheme.

With this affiliation, girls from NYPS already has 12 point advantage over girls from other schools. This is already a huge advantage. It really takes a lot a lot more effort to get just one more point when near the top, let alone 12 points. Law of diminishing return. So, I think parents with DDs in NYPS, should already be contented to have this advantage. This is a meritocracy system. By giving this 12 points advantage, in my opinion, it creates imbalance in the system. Girls who really enter NYGH with 250 may end up suffering because of inability to compete. So, parents should really think hard if this is what they want their DDs to go through. My humble opinion. Pls don't throw fire at me.

Thank you for all the comments, particularly to Snow Crystal.

No one is saying that the NYPS girls do not appreciate the lower COP but the fact remains - WHY does everyone try to DSA in the first place...this includes the GEPers ? It is for a peace of mind. Also, many other good and reputable schools such as SCGS and MGS have even much lower COPs for their sister primary schools. A 20-25point difference in COP explains why their affiliated primary students accept that DSA should be kept for kids from other schools because a huge number will and do get in. I am not advocating this for NYGH, dont get me wrong. Do these schools have less able and less outstanding students in the long run? Aside from branding and elitism, I think many people would say that both schools are great schools with history, traditions and strong sense of belonging.

My point was never about the COP. It was about DSA.

Perhaps, it would help if you put yourself in these NYPS Tweens' position.

The kids nowadays are very smart and much more matured than kids born 20 years ago. They know exactly who from the 2011 cohort went to what school, why & many individuals' PSLE scores. They ask why so and so, no matter how outstanding/ talented at NYPS was rejected by NYGH. They know that quite a few who were rejected by NYGH during the DSA phase ( some via CCa and some via academics) subsequently performed very well at PSLE but because they were hurt and disappointed, they automatically moved to RGS/ NUSH to prove their point. The feeling that they are disadvantaged at DSA, ironically, encourages them to try DSA into other schools in the first place. It's a double whammy.

Some may say they are childish but if it were you, the adult, the response may not have been so different. They are after all human. They have feelings and they know when they are being taken for granted especially when they are constantly reminded to be so grateful for the lower COP.Everyone knows that anything can happen on exam day and marks can be volatile even for the top 10-20% of the cohort.

They KNOW that they are disadvantaged when it's comes to direct admission into their own sister school, NYGH. They talk about it all the time ! They also know that rival schools such as RGS would be quite happy to take them if it could. The psychological impact of feeling disadvantaged at DSA by their sister school is under estimated. Perhaps, the answer is balance. The need to balance what is good for NYGH in terms of medals and what is good for the overall Nanyang spirit.

jtoh:

Whylikethat888:

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Last year's batch took it personally because despite their capability (getting into RGS & NUSH), they felt that NYGH never even gave them a chance. As for 255, it only a 7 marks discount from last year's COP. Many other affiliated / top tier schools have much lower cut off points and thus, a stronger sense of affiliation.

I thought the preferential COP for NYPS to NYGH is 250? Has it been raised?

255 was quoted from Snow Crystal's reply.

There must be a clear distinction between DSA and the lower COP. Students DSA to have a peace of mind and when they are fairly certain the secondary school is a good fit for them. Many also do so due to good feelings they have for sister school.

If the message to them is \" better not DSA because you have lower COP already, give other weaker students from schools a greater chance to DSA\", it is very demoralizing for the whole cohort. It seems a pity because as most people know, NYPS standards are generally higher / more stressful from day one so to be turned down so early ( after years of slogging) is regarded as a slap in the face for many.

As quoted by someone prominent, \" The strength of the family, like the strength of an army, is loyalty to each other\".

Allowing talented and unique girls into NYGH via DSA does not mean they are not capable in terms of academic results. Many of last year's \"rejects\" have proven that indeed, they easily surpassed the COP of 250 with ease but were never given the chance via DSA. This year, some parents have indeed asked their DDs not to bother to DSA into NYGH but instead just aim for RGS/ NUSH. As mentioned earlier, it's sad and a loss to the Nanyang family.

Snow Crystal:

Whylikethat888:

Many people ( teachers, students & parents) don't understand the rationale behind NYGH's current reluctance to offer DSAs to non- GEP NYPS students. Last year, many excellent students from the HA classes at NYPS were not offered DSA to NYGH for no obvious reason. As expected, many felt that their own sister school did not value them nor gave NYPS any face. .

Maybe it's due to the earlier batches of non GEP NYPS students 'ditching' the NYGH COs by accepting RGS or NUSH COs eventually. This is called 'once bitten, twice shy' - NYGH must have quite a number of rejected COs from this group of children who have multiple COs. Thus, before parents blame NYGH for not giving NYPS face or value them, please investigate past history if this was the case. Well, the sec schools have to wise up too... They also don't like to be taken for a ride. Eg another IP NJC also rejects many GEPs and high performing mainstreamers as they must have experienced high rejection rate previously from these groups for their COs. From the sch's angle, COs are precious and they would rather give to those with lower chance of multiple COs or who have really demonstrated commitment to accept CO if offered probably during interview. There is no point organizing such an elaborate DSA and then face rejection of their very precious COs. Also, most importantly NYGH is an affiliated sec sch of NYPS, so NYPS girls need only 250 (including HCL bonus point) to enter via PSLE S1. Thus if NYGH ascertain that the girls are of 250+ calibre, why give to them CO, might as well give to other school girls who may not meet 262 high S1 COP but with talents that NYGH wants. I guess if the parents think from a broader big picture and from their sister school NYGH's angle, it should not be difficult to understand NYGH's perceived 'reluctance' to give NYPS mainstreamers COs. In fact, a NYPS girl in a top class capable of achieving say 255++ and above PSLE score should not need to apply to NYGH DSA...perhaps to us outsiders that is the puzzling part Also, as an outsider, it's also surprising to hear affiliated pri Sch thinking this way of their affiliated sec Sch. Wouldn't most like to continue to NYGH due to sense of affinity and belonging? All the best to the PSLE!

Thanks! I can see your point although from what we hear, there were quite a few talented individuals who were very serious about going to NYGH last year & were bitterly disappointed. They were upset because they felt that NYGH did not appreciate their strong loyalty and Nanyang spirit. Obviously, these students enjoyed and cherished the NYPS experience particularly under the capable Madam Heng.

Some would even say that current HA classes feel that there is an underlying bias against them. The students have been warned not to expect to DSA into their dream school. Quite sad. Ironically, students from other schools are now clamoring to DSA into NYGH after they hear that NYPS girls may be at a disadvantage ! Very demoralizing for both NYPS students and teachers who work hard to help them get into their dream school.

Last year's batch took it personally because despite their capability (getting into RGS & NUSH), they felt that NYGH never even gave them a chance. As for 255, it only a 7 marks discount from last year's COP. Many other affiliated / top tier schools have much lower cut off points and thus, a stronger sense of affiliation.

Having said that, I agree it's important to pick out the pupils who are very serious and dedicated about joining NYGH versus trying to shop around for as many COs as possible particularly those HAs who try for both RGS & NYGH. Seems to show lack of dedication to sister school. However, it would be good to remember that a few rotten apples does not mean the whole cart of apples are bad.

Here's hoping that the Nanyang spirit of future NYPS students & teachers will not be dampened by a few bad apples in the past. With the upcoming 95th anniversary, it would be heartening to see a stronger sense of the Nanyang spirit.