Q&A - PSLE Science

[gerberadaisy]

Hi all,


Can someone help with this question:

Why does the spectacles get misty when you emerge from an air-conditioned place such as a car?

Thanks!

[ngl2010]

Hi. Can someone help to explain why frictional force is not dependent on the size of surface area?


TIA

[sharonkhoo]

gerberadaisy:

Hi all,


Can someone help with this question:

Why does the spectacles get misty when you emerge from an air-conditioned place such as a car?

Thanks!

The aircon makes the lenses cooler than the air outside the car, so the water vapour in the air condenses on the cooler surfaces.

[gerberadaisy]

Thanks Simkhoo for your reply. I sort of figure out the answer already.

[Oldschool]

ngl2010:

Hi. Can someone help to explain why frictional force is not dependent on the size of surface area?


TIA

Hi,

Interesting that this is brought up in the primary section.

For primary level (or even to high school), it is sufficient/reasonable to consider that frictional force is not dependent on the size of the surface area. This (ambiguity) lies with the model used by early physicists in their investigation of friction where the early model limits that it is independent of area of contact. As such, based on the classic empirical model, frictional force is independent of surface area which is valid in many circumstances.

However, the phenomena – friction, is far more complex. In reality, the classic model is insufficient to explain many more examples.

Regards

[ngl2010]

Oldschool:

ngl2010:

Hi. Can someone help to explain why frictional force is not dependent on the size of surface area?


TIA

Hi,

Interesting that this is brought up in the primary section.

For primary level (or even to high school), it is sufficient/reasonable to consider that frictional force is not dependent on the size of the surface area. This (ambiguity) lies with the model used by early physicists in their investigation of friction where the early model limits that it is independent of area of contact. As such, based on the classic empirical model, frictional force is independent of surface area which is valid in many circumstances.

However, the phenomena – friction, is far more complex. In reality, the classic model is insufficient to explain many more examples.

Regards

Hi Oldschool. Thank you for the explanation. My son's teacher only stated that the frictional force is not dependent on the size of surface area. It was just my curiosity on why it is so because if my son plays on slide, he will slide faster if contact area is small. But maybe it is just my impression because I have never really timed it.

[Sun_2010]

ngl2010:

Oldschool:

[quote=\"ngl2010\"]Hi. Can someone help to explain why frictional force is not dependent on the size of surface area?


TIA

Hi,

Interesting that this is brought up in the primary section.

For primary level (or even to high school), it is sufficient/reasonable to consider that frictional force is not dependent on the size of the surface area. This (ambiguity) lies with the model used by early physicists in their investigation of friction where the early model limits that it is independent of area of contact. As such, based on the classic empirical model, frictional force is independent of surface area which is valid in many circumstances.

However, the phenomena – friction, is far more complex. In reality, the classic model is insufficient to explain many more examples.

Regards

Hi Oldschool. Thank you for the explanation. My son's teacher only stated that the frictional force is not dependent on the size of surface area. It was just my curiosity on why it is so because if my son plays on slide, he will slide faster if contact area is small. But maybe it is just my impression because I have never really timed it.[/quote]Good observation ngl2010.

This is something that seems against the commonsense. Actually, an easier to understand formula, though it is not a part of the primary science syllaus, is that the frictional force is proportional to the Normal force.
The normal force is dependent on the weight which is independent of the area of contact. The normal force will be lesser than the weight on an incline plane, as it is equal to a component of the weight.

As to your query, for the slide, my personal feel is it is faster when you lean back than with the back upright. And I think that has to do more with CG shifting, than friction. Gotta experiment this vacation
Anyone care to explain?

[Oldschool]

Sun_2010:

Good observation ngl2010.

This is something that seems against the commonsense. Actually, an easier to understand formula, though it is not a part of the primary science syllaus, is that the frictional force is proportional to the Normal force.
The normal force is dependent on the weight which is independent of the area of contact. The normal force will be lesser than the weight on an incline plane, as it is equal to a component of the weight.

As to your query, for the slide, my personal feel is it is faster when you lean back than with the back upright. And I think that has to do more with CG shifting, than friction. Gotta experiment this vacation
Anyone care to explain?

Hi,

Caution: Please exercise caution when experimenting.

Torque will be at played when CG is introduced. And you do not really want to end up as a 'human pendulum' i.e. end up going down, head first.

Regards

[dyh]

Sun_2010:

ngl2010:

[quote=\"Oldschool\"]
Hi,

Interesting that this is brought up in the primary section.

For primary level (or even to high school), it is sufficient/reasonable to consider that frictional force is not dependent on the size of the surface area. This (ambiguity) lies with the model used by early physicists in their investigation of friction where the early model limits that it is independent of area of contact. As such, based on the classic empirical model, frictional force is independent of surface area which is valid in many circumstances.

However, the phenomena – friction, is far more complex. In reality, the classic model is insufficient to explain many more examples.

Regards

Hi Oldschool. Thank you for the explanation. My son's teacher only stated that the frictional force is not dependent on the size of surface area. It was just my curiosity on why it is so because if my son plays on slide, he will slide faster if contact area is small. But maybe it is just my impression because I have never really timed it.

Good observation ngl2010.

This is something that seems against the commonsense. Actually, an easier to understand formula, though it is not a part of the primary science syllaus, is that the frictional force is proportional to the Normal force.
The normal force is dependent on the weight which is independent of the area of contact. The normal force will be lesser than the weight on an incline plane, as it is equal to a component of the weight.

As to your query, for the slide, my personal feel is it is faster when you lean back than with the back upright. And I think that has to do more with CG shifting, than friction. Gotta experiment this vacation
Anyone care to explain?[/quote]My thought is this. Assume we have 2 blocks with same mass but different base areas lying on a level surface. How much force is required to push the blocks sideways? The amount of force should be the same if the frictional force is equal for both blocks. Reason is because the bigger base block exerts less pressure on the surface. But the bigger base compensates for this lower pressure and hence both blocks require same amount of force to move. What do you think?

[NYPS]

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