Opinions of the Primary School Registration System

[Harlequin]

3Boys:

rains:

[quote=\"3Boys\"]
Rich ACSians beget more rich ACSians beget more rich ACSians....

When in some such schools, there are barely 10% of spots in Phase 2C left over for the general public, how can one say that alumni priority which will lock in increasingly large numbers of places as the years go by, be said to promote diversity? Soon even the 2B slots will become limited.

Over the mid-long term, alumni priority stratifies society.

It's happening already, the diversity at some 'premier' primary schools is dismal.

ACS is just one out of some 300 schools? (got 300 or not?) Most popular schools do have students from diverse background. Even Nyps has students who require FAS.

Like what pirate said, it's the alumni who help to put the brand on popular schools, causing those who are non-alumni to scramble for a place at the schools. Yet it's these people who want the alumni to get lost. Kind of ironic there.

And since the popular schools are so great and wonderful, then places thereof ought to be shared amongst the general population, and not constrained to hereditary progeny, a-la royalty. I.e., if one were a non-ACSian, non-NYPer, non-Rulanger, who odds does one have of getting one's child into those schools. And these are odds that lengthen generation by generation, where soon you really need to be Phase 2A only, and maybe even then you have to ballot.

Can these really been deemed public schools when they are reserved to a special club of children only?

The schools, as far as I can understand, belong primarily to the public, they don't belong to the alumni. The alumni may have influence, but must not dictate admissions policy, otherwise once in the door, they'll just pull up the drawbridge.[/quote]Alumni is public too, just that the preferential.... a friend did not put her son to her hubby's old school but chose the proximity and got in, at the end of p1 when others found out, she got her ear full from a couple of other parents citing she should gone ahead with the alumni P and not squeezed out the neighbor's kids

世亊古难全

[Sun_2010]

rains:

The only people who will support alumni priority removal, balloting and distance-priority are the non-alumni to popular schools.


I call a spade a spade: it is sour grapes syndrome. Without it, nobody will kbkb.

That again is a generalisation that irks.
My kids are thru primary.
And if the alumini priority stays , my grandchildren will benefit from it. (Of course assuming that the branding continues and their school is still there)

and I can tell you that I am not an exception either

[3Boys]

rains:

The only people who will support alumni priority removal, balloting and distance-priority are the non-alumni to popular schools.


I call a spade a spade: it is sour grapes syndrome. Without it, nobody will kbkb.

Like the only people who would support the alumni scheme are those who have been to popular schools, and their kids stand to gain from it?

The important question is whether there is a GOOD basis for the continuation of this scheme. There are people who have children who will gain from this who feel that is an unjust system.

You can call it sour grapes, I call it injustice. And if I recall from a different thread, you can't stand injustice. Or is that talk only?

[3Boys]

Harlequin:

3Boys:

[quote=\"rains\"]

ACS is just one out of some 300 schools? (got 300 or not?) Most popular schools do have students from diverse background. Even Nyps has students who require FAS.

Like what pirate said, it's the alumni who help to put the brand on popular schools, causing those who are non-alumni to scramble for a place at the schools. Yet it's these people who want the alumni to get lost. Kind of ironic there.

And since the popular schools are so great and wonderful, then places thereof ought to be shared amongst the general population, and not constrained to hereditary progeny, a-la royalty. I.e., if one were a non-ACSian, non-NYPer, non-Rulanger, who odds does one have of getting one's child into those schools. And these are odds that lengthen generation by generation, where soon you really need to be Phase 2A only, and maybe even then you have to ballot.

Can these really been deemed public schools when they are reserved to a special club of children only?

The schools, as far as I can understand, belong primarily to the public, they don't belong to the alumni. The alumni may have influence, but must not dictate admissions policy, otherwise once in the door, they'll just pull up the drawbridge.

Alumni is public too, just that the preferential.... a friend did not put her son to her hubby's old school but chose the proximity and got in, at the end of p1 when others found out, she got her ear full from a couple of other parents citing she should gone ahead with the alumni P and not squeezed out the neighbor's kids

世亊古难全[/quote]Harlequin,
just go peruse Chief's stats on phases of admissions to popular schools, and see how much 2A is now taking up, and the trends, and see if you don't think its a problem.

[Harlequin]

limlim:

The only pple who support the smoking ban are non-smokers..


And smoking is banned is many places..

Why? because it is inherently detrimental to the well-being of the environment. (Analogy)

And if it is bad practice, it should be removed.

Same principal.

Those smokers who are affected.. face it..

Smoking is bad for health and harm those around is scientifically proven.

Whereas p school registration affecting people's individual preference, societal demographic etc .... so it's much harder to tackle. :gloomy: cannot just do with out right ban.

[Harlequin]

limlim:

Wait.. add 1 more for alumni.. 3 ballot slips.. since they are before P2B..


fair bo? good hor..?

Second this....

[Sun_2010]

Harlequin:

rains:

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The phases that truly don't offer a diversity of background is the parent volunteer and grassroots phases. If these people truly have a heart to serve the school and community, they should not be asking for rewards in return. The reward in this case would be the priority at P1 registration. What kind of values, attitude and thinking are we encouraging and promoting (for doing a service to the community)?
..........

Agree.

Doesnt the same principle apply for Alumni?

I worked hard , benefitted from the school and earned your keeps, what more? My children too should benefit since I once belonged to that school ( for all you know I might have been the one who pulled down the averages :evil: )

If I feel an natural affinity for my alma matar, then i would help/get involved no matter what the measurable benefits .

I doubt if those who studied at Harvard or Oxford get such leeway. Learned scholars( 3B, pirate and others) in this forum please comment

[3Boys]

limlim:

Harlequin:

[quote=\"rains\"]

Like what pirate said, it's the alumni who help to put the brand on popular schools, causing those who are non-alumni to scramble for a place at the schools. Yet it's these people who want the alumni to get lost. Kind of ironic there.

Yes, the irony....

you 一针见血 pointing out the complexity of the whole issue. :celebrate:

Nobody ask the alumni to get lost worr.. once an alumni, always an alumni.

But, the kids of the alumni can get lost.. :evil: :evil: They did nothing to do the school proud (c'mon, they're not even in the school! yet..)

evil hor.. :evil:

but.. facts mah..

juz joking.. :siam:[/quote]You don't have to joke, what you say is completely fair.

The alumni of Harvard will always be the alumni of Harvard. Do the kids of the alumni of Harvard have priority to enter Harvard? If you were the Dean of Harvard and brought the school to great heights, do your progeny have blanket priority to enter Harvard?

Those who tout 'contributions' to school as a basis for priority always conveniently ignore this point.

[Harlequin]

3Boys:

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The important question is whether there is a GOOD basis for the continuation of this scheme. There are people who have children who will gain from this who feel that is an unjust system.
..........

Agree.

[3Boys]

Sun_2010:

Harlequin:

[quote=\"rains\"]
.........
The phases that truly don't offer a diversity of background is the parent volunteer and grassroots phases. If these people truly have a heart to serve the school and community, they should not be asking for rewards in return. The reward in this case would be the priority at P1 registration. What kind of values, attitude and thinking are we encouraging and promoting (for doing a service to the community)?
..........

Agree.

Doesnt the same principle apply for Alumni?

I worked hard , benefitted from the school and earned your keeps, what more? My children too should benefit since I once belonged to that school ( for all you know I might have been the one who pulled down the averages :evil: )

If I feel an natural affinity for my alma matar, then i would help/get involved no matter what the measurable benefits .

I doubt if those who studied at Harvard or Oxford get such leeway. Learned scholars( 3B, pirate and others) in this forum please comment [/quote]Wah, you beat me to it!

Except I ain't a learned scholar, and therefore my children, and my children's children, forevermore, will not have the same footing for school enrolment as the elite who have somehow, through their brilliance in childhood, enrolled themselves into an elite school, therefore securing the right for their progeny, to forevermore mingle with the high ability. Such is one rationale as I understand it from one particular angle. And guess what, to feel otherwise is sour grapes.