GEP and IQ
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metz:
Mensa is not the same as IQ tests nor GEP Selection test. Mensa test is just looking for patterns, if I'm not wrong. Both IQ tests and GEP tests are more than that.
IQ test is not the same as GEP selection test. In fact, the GEP branch would not admit any student to the GEP based on any IQ tests.
In short, all three tests are different and may not mean the same thing.Steadyberry:
Agreed.Yes, agree. The tests may not mean the same thing. The tests are from 3 diff sources and they are not related to each other. Type of que and how the kids are tested are different too. My friend's dd had been tested to have high IQ and she did not even pass the 1st round. She is a voracious reader and she asks many questions. To me, she is definitely diff from other kids.
gep screening is a large scale mass exercise. Impossible to be as detailed as a one to one IQ test conducted by EP.
By the way, Mensa do not conduct test for kids below 14 years old. So all young mensa members have to submit IQ report from EP. -
sleepy:
Agreed.
gep screening is a large scale mass exercise. Impossible to be as detailed as a one to one IQ test conducted by EP.
By the way, Mensa do not conduct test for kids below 14 years old. So all young mensa members have to submit IQ report from EP.
Honestly, I don't think too highly of IQ tests too.
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rambutan7:
Some believes that IQ number can increase over years. So, it really depends on how one views the IQ tests.
There's a saying that IQ cannot be trained.
From Wikipedia -
'Raw scores on IQ tests for many populations have been rising at an average rate that scales to three IQ points per decade since the early 20th century, a phenomenon called the Flynn effect. Investigation of differing patterns of increases in IQ battery subtest scores informs current research on human intelligence.\"
rambutan7:
This one is too long for me to expand on...All Mensa, IQ assessments, and GEP tests are similar, although the emphasis on the components are different.
IQ assessments, if done objectively (there's a lot of $ & pressure involved), are accurate reflection of a person's IQ.
IQ assessments in themselves are good tools for early intervention where necessary. It is how the results are taken & used that's often controversial if not problematic.
rambutan7:
metz:
Those kids who are tested gifted via IQ tests ( that I heard of ) usually attend classes since toddler and have very nurturing parents.
I have 3 DS and I can tell you no matter how much you want to teach a child who is not ready to grasp the concept, you simply won't succeed.
That's the problem most parents have. Most parents that I come across can't accept that their kids are gifted in different ways and that they may be more interested in other things (not what the parent/school/enrichment wants to teach) at the particular time. For young kids, I strongly believe in letting them take the lead. A child who starts walking at 7 months old isn't necessary gifted in sports. Likewise, a toddler or preschooler who grasps concepts faster is not necessary more gifted than one who seems nonchalant.
I know that because I have two kids of very different nature and interests. I don't expect the younger one to be an image of the elder one. Both flourish in their own ways. Unlike the brother, my daughter isn't into Science books and concepts. But she signed herself up for P2 UNSW Science paper and received a high distinction. I'll probably kill her interest in Science if I expected her to pick up concepts like her brother. -
metz:
A child who starts walking at 7 months old isn't necessary gifted in sports. Likewise, a toddler or preschooler who grasps concepts faster is not necessary more gifted than one who seems nonchalant.
This kid is certainly gifted, in the ability to balance and coordinate the muscles required for walking, at 7 months old.
That's the issue with using the IQ numbers.
Having a high IQ doesn't mean success in life. It just means that, a high IQ. So our kid here will not necessary be a sports star in the later years. But that has nothing to do with his/her giftedness in able to walk at 7 months.
Contrary to what you stated, the ability to grasp concepts beyond their years IS a sign of high IQ.
Also, IQ is linked to age range. The ability to understand advanced concepts is always based on the person's age. A child's understanding of pythagorean theorem at age of 7 is certainly gifted, and shouldn't compare to an undergraduate who can.metz:
Having a high score in academic tests doesn't necessary linked to high IQ. As you would've read from numerous posts here that even children in the top 10 of their school cohort may not necessary make it to round 2 or even 1 of GEP tests.I know that because I have two kids of very different nature and interests. I don't expect the younger one to be an image of the elder one. Both flourish in their own ways. Unlike the brother, my daughter isn't into Science books and concepts. But she signed herself up for P2 UNSW Science paper and received a high distinction. I'll probably kill her interest in Science if I expected her to pick up concepts like her brother.
Finally, concept I mentioned is not subject. Concept is the an abstract idea, thereby make it hard to understand or explain. Unless the person's cognitive development is at a stage to understand it, no amount of training can achieve success.
This is different from brute training. Anybody can be trained with enough repetitions. Even monkeys. But IQ is totally different.
A child at 10 months can be trained to recognize letters of the alphabet. Just point and say the letter enough times and reward the child with milk or sweets if he/she does it and soon enough you'll have success.
But try explaining the concept of spelling, letters forming words to a child at 15 months even, and you'll find it an almost impossible and frustrating exercise. -
Hi parents,
For those who hv let your child take the IQ test, can you pls kindly share the contacts with me?
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For gep I disagree that those get in are high IQ cos most of those got in went for gep preparation class for 1-2 years and they started tuition at very young age. Some started before P1 with Kumom. Some started since P1. And their parents definitely "hide" the fact that they sent their kids to gep classes. So those kids after 1-2 years training definitely better than those kids did not go or even don’t hv tuition at all.
This is the fact. -
For gifted children - they don't necessary make it into GEP because of the test and if children perform well for test...
As such, gifted child don't just grow overnight...
I suggest you contact the GEP department and ask them to support your child... so technically you need some suitable document from a psychologist doing an IQ test and recommendation on how the school can support the child.
my younger child is in p2 this year and GEP is working closely with the school at times (LOL) to support him.
unfortunately in Singapore, the converting of giftedness into talents are the work of the parents and not the school....
the school will consider the gifted children who shine and not really supporting the underachiever ... unless we advocate for the children...
should you don't make it to GEP ... not the end of the world...
there are some school with their internal program... I don't know many as I am still new to this but I know St Joseph has an inhouse program...
Stamford Primary is thinking about doing that with the new principal... where they teach core curriculum quicker and then do extension work or projects catering for the gifted and high ability...
either way .. you need to check it out..
good luck :imcool: -
metz:
-------------------------------------------------sleepy:
Agreed.
gep screening is a large scale mass exercise. Impossible to be as detailed as a one to one IQ test conducted by EP.
By the way, Mensa do not conduct test for kids below 14 years old. So all young mensa members have to submit IQ report from EP.
Honestly, I don't think too highly of IQ tests too.
I didn't as well until the teacher thinks my son has learning disability.
we got him checked and he is highly gifted.
gifted child learn differently and mine is visual spatial thus don't work very well in regular classroom...
IQ test alone does not help and do with WIAT test for the true ability of the child... my younger was reading like a 13 year old when he is 6... so yeah there will be problem in school in socialising with other 6 years old...
I think the iq number is not important but the recommendation at the back pages from the EP will help you to negotiate with the schools in supporting your child to bring out the best in your child... -
I did not think of assessing his IQ through tests. But his teachers have advised us to let him take the tests. I have no wishes for him to enter P1 earlier too. Instead I would like a professional to assess his iQ level and identify his strongholds and weak areas so that we can help him develop further. I do not know if he is gifted or simply academically strong. I have looked around some private clinics conducting such tests and normally charging $1.2k… Is that the market rate or over exaggerated?
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depends which test…I thought wisc iv is about 800+… but if you need to know his weakness and strength then he needs another test I think WIAT another 150+
if you are thinking of Stanford binet … they are more costly… depends on what is needed… and if they also include consultation cost… usually they add it in one session. Some place include the price… depends…
if you are doing this… get someone reputable
sorry we did ours overseas…
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