All About Autism
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Issue is -
during interview, do you want to tell interviewers that you are autistic ?
(for children autistic, applying for jobs)
If dont’t tell them, can’t be honest up front during job interview, got the job but later in the midst of carrying out job duties and one day unknowingly displayed inherent autistic characteristics at work on more than one occassion and employers somehow suspect, what happen next ? Only there and then, tell them the truth ? -
Liyuan:
The thing is whether it is necessary to declare to the big companies even if they ask for it? And medical history are declared only after they are offered the job. I think if the child is high functioning, by the time he is of employment age, it won't look obvious that anything is different. If he is obviously autistic, then he will of course get a lower pay, whether he was diagnosed or not. And I would say those who got lower wages are those who couldn't get into mainstream schools and had to go to special schools. Once you are in special schools, then there's no denying that you will get lower wages. And in order to get into special schools, u need a diagnosis.
I think it is hard to get any proof unless some research has been done and journal articles been written. All these comments are just feedback from parents that form part of the sample size.
Declaration of medical records and history are necessary for many big companies. Behaviors during interview certainly plays a part. That is in fact one of the first time we could help the child with before even sending him or her for open employment. It is more of the belief that someone with a diagnosis of autism may exhibit out of norm behavior. Often I also hear from parents that even if they do get open employment, their wage are lower than industry standards.
Teachers may find other ways to deal with the child and if there is a special aid teacher in the sch, they will refer to him or her. I also have seen teachers that give up and leave the child as he is.
I agree very much to this where they may decide to reject your application altogether if they know about the diagnosis. Given that the new DSM 5 allows earlier diagnosis, more children may be diagnosis at a younger age and child are may get to know during enrollment. For now I believe singapore is still using DSM 4.
What I'm countering here aren't children from special schools but those who are deemed well enough to be in mainstream schools. Those who manage to pull through mainstream schools and able to control their behaviour are able to get a normal life like others, with or without a diagnosis.
Perhaps I've been very lucky coz my son has gotten really good and patient teachers. There are some bad ones like u say, but with the new emphasis on incorporating special needs children in the system, it's easier to get through with it. My son's CCA teacher isn't as understanding and he is quite an a**** in my opinion. But since it is just a CCA, I let it be. I also told my son that in life, he will be subject to such mistreatment and he will need to learn to live through it. It is up to him to decide how he wants to deal with it. You can't possibly meet all the nicest people in the whole world. It is also a way to teach him how to cope when he felt it was unfair, or the other person is not nice.
I've seen some of my exceptionally quirky school mates whom I suspected have autism. They look shifty when they talk, had all sorts of weird behaviour. They got through fantastically, probably also in part because of their gifted brains. So I think those who can go through mainstream school will somehow find ways to cope in future such that even if others suspect anything, they can get through with it. Even those in Pathlight have a great chance to doing well in life. Our job is to equip them and teach them all the skills that other kids learn instinctively. The good thing about autistic kids is that you can easily know what's their passion and obsession. Many autistic kids who succeed in life are those who indulged in their obsession and used it to fit into this world. Then again, I'm optimistic about their future because they are high functioning. -
phtthp:
What inherent autistic characteristics could be displayed at work? I think it is important that the employer also see the value of the employee. If he can perform well in his work and just having an episode, the employer may just ignore it. Do u tell pp you have depression when u go for a job interview? Many people are really pretty quirky and they come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. And in Singapore context, will you ask another person \"Hey, are you by any chance autistic?, \"do you have a formal diagnosis?\" \"If you have been formally diagnosed, then I will sack you. But if you don't have a diagnosis, then I won't sack you.\" No, u don't do that. If the behaviour affects his work, then he will be sacked. Autistic or not. Diagnosed or not.Issue is -
during interview, do you want to tell interviewers that you are autistic ?
(for children autistic, applying for jobs)
If dont't tell them, can't be honest up front during job interview, got the job but later in the midst of carrying out job duties and one day unknowingly displayed inherent autistic characteristics at work on more than one occassion and employers somehow suspect, what happen next ? Only there and then, tell them the truth ? -
My son has been boasting to me that he's so good with making friends. Lol. Whenever we send him to the playground, he will pick a boy to play with. I think the years of therapy has worked and he is now quite auto and knows what to do. Except names! Gosh, he's terrible with names. He still doesn't intro himself or ask the boy for his name. But they will both wave at each other happily when they have to leave and say their goodbyes.
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mashy:
That part about if child received diagnosis in order to enter special school and child receive lower wages -
The thing is whether it is necessary to declare to the big companies even if they ask for it?
And medical history are declared only after they are offered the job. I think if the child is high functioning, by the time he is of employment age, it won't look obvious that anything is different.
If he is obviously autistic, then he will of course get a lower pay, whether he was diagnosed or not.
And I would say those who got lower wages are those who couldn't get into mainstream schools and had to go to special schools.
Once you are in special schools, then there's no denying that you will get lower wages. And in order to get into special schools, u need a diagnosis.
What I'm countering here aren't children from special schools but those who are deemed well enough to be in mainstream schools.
Those who manage to pull through mainstream schools and able to control their behaviour are able to get a normal life like others, with or without a diagnosis.
hope not true.
Because children who go Pathlight are high functioning, not fair that they receive lower wages. -
phtthp:
For an employer, they will always find an excuse to give u a lower wage. It doesn't matter even if u are not autistic. It could simply be because you are a woman, you get lower wages. They justify by saying it is NS supplement that they give the men. It's not fair. That's true. So unless the children who go pathlight proves that they are more capable and in fact so good that other kids can't replace, they will have to accept the lower pay. But of course, when we bring up our kids, it's not for the goal of higher pay but for them to assimilate with the society. So we shouldn't think because he will receive lower pay and thus we don't send him to pathlight where he could benefit and grow better. Anyway, nowadays we can omit primary school in our job application. You don't need to submit PSLE results. Just from O levels. If my son is in pathlight and it being in the resume will affect his job prospect, I will omit. PSLE results aren't important unless that's the only qualification u have. There are pp who had atrocious PSLE results went on to ace their exams in o levels and came in 1st class honors in uni. I don't think he would have lost a job because of his PSLE or his primary school. But for an average kid who gets average results, if showing pathlight means not getting a job, remove it.
That part about if child received diagnosis in order to enter special school and child receive lower wages -mashy:
The thing is whether it is necessary to declare to the big companies even if they ask for it?
And medical history are declared only after they are offered the job. I think if the child is high functioning, by the time he is of employment age, it won't look obvious that anything is different.
If he is obviously autistic, then he will of course get a lower pay, whether he was diagnosed or not.
And I would say those who got lower wages are those who couldn't get into mainstream schools and had to go to special schools.
Once you are in special schools, then there's no denying that you will get lower wages. And in order to get into special schools, u need a diagnosis.
What I'm countering here aren't children from special schools but those who are deemed well enough to be in mainstream schools.
Those who manage to pull through mainstream schools and able to control their behaviour are able to get a normal life like others, with or without a diagnosis.
hope not true.
Because children who go Pathlight are high functioning, not fair that they receive lower wages.
But for other special schools, I don't think there's a way out because they are likely low functioning. -
MNCs are usually equal opportunity employer and would already have a salary range/scale in place for every designation.
Medical claims may be affected by non-disclosure though am not sure how or in what way. -
phtthp:
All else being equal, I would be very surprised if employers were to pay individuals who study in special schools lower wages for the same kind of work as those who do not study in special schools.
That part about if child received diagnosis in order to enter special school and child receive lower wages -mashy:
The thing is whether it is necessary to declare to the big companies even if they ask for it?
And medical history are declared only after they are offered the job. I think if the child is high functioning, by the time he is of employment age, it won't look obvious that anything is different.
If he is obviously autistic, then he will of course get a lower pay, whether he was diagnosed or not.
And I would say those who got lower wages are those who couldn't get into mainstream schools and had to go to special schools.
Once you are in special schools, then there's no denying that you will get lower wages. And in order to get into special schools, u need a diagnosis.
What I'm countering here aren't children from special schools but those who are deemed well enough to be in mainstream schools.
Those who manage to pull through mainstream schools and able to control their behaviour are able to get a normal life like others, with or without a diagnosis.
hope not true.
Because children who go Pathlight are high functioning, not fair that they receive lower wages.
Of course, individuals who study in special schools that focus on vocational training may get lower wages as a cohort, but that could be because currently vocational positions are paid lower than that white-collar jobs in general.
So it should not be a case of whether one studies in special schools, but rather the types of jobs that the individuals take up. -
ImMeeMee:
All else being equal, I would be very surprised if employers were to pay individuals who study in special schools lower wages for the same kind of work as those who do not study in special schools.
That part about if child received diagnosis in order to enter special school and child receive lower wages -phtthp:
[quote=\"mashy\"]
The thing is whether it is necessary to declare to the big companies even if they ask for it?
And medical history are declared only after they are offered the job. I think if the child is high functioning, by the time he is of employment age, it won't look obvious that anything is different.
If he is obviously autistic, then he will of course get a lower pay, whether he was diagnosed or not.
And I would say those who got lower wages are those who couldn't get into mainstream schools and had to go to special schools.
Once you are in special schools, then there's no denying that you will get lower wages. And in order to get into special schools, u need a diagnosis.
What I'm countering here aren't children from special schools but those who are deemed well enough to be in mainstream schools.
Those who manage to pull through mainstream schools and able to control their behaviour are able to get a normal life like others, with or without a diagnosis.
hope not true.
Because children who go Pathlight are high functioning, not fair that they receive lower wages.
Of course, individuals who study in special schools that focus on vocational training may get lower wages as a cohort, but that could be because currently vocational positions are paid lower than that white-collar jobs in general.
So it should not be a case of whether one studies in special schools, but rather the types of jobs that the individuals take up.[/quote]Unfortunately that's not true.
my cousin is deaf. She's only paid a miserly $300 packing ear phones for the airlines. Maybe it's higher now but it should still be less than $1k. They can't do the same kind of work because they won't be getting the same qualifications in the special schools. I think the best comparison will be the food industry. The amount given is an allowance. Not a pay. So yes, they are paid lower.
There are plenty of discrimination in this country. Just like former convicts aren't paid the same even if they had a degree. It's not fair but many simply accept because the other option is no job at all. -
Not everyone with a disability is able to find a job let alone hold on to it. Know someone who is blind and unable to find a job for years.
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