* Eunoia JC (EJC)
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zbear:
Assume it's immediate since no timeline was given. Not surprising as some schools have many more China scholars than others. Heard these scholars are handpicked from their provinces by the schools' leaders.alng:
What I have heard from one of the principals 3 years ago was that this new JC would be rank top 3, not surpass the top JC.
Top 3? May I know after how many years of establishment?
With their presence, it's possible to rank top 3, or is it not? -
zbear:
Never said leh...but you have a very good question....how come no one has asked that question then?alng:
What I have heard from one of the principals 3 years ago was that this new JC would be rank top 3, not surpass the top JC.
Top 3? May I know after how many years of establishment? -
sushi88:
DS is in the other IP school in Bishan albeit only in year 2. From what I observed, the boys do not frown upon any classmate's school background or other background. Actually, they don't care which school their classmates were from or how they got into the school. Please do not assume and do not put words in their mouths.
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2. Frankly, with all the hoo-ha created, for any student to join any JC in yr 5, they would be frowned upon(rightfully or wrongfully) and there is no time in the 2 years to be frowned upon. Do you seriously want to subject yr kids to such pressure and hostility in an existing JC? Ask your kids if they wish to deal with that.
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ngl2010:
Please note \"any JC\" so....? Please also note \"rightfully or wrongfully\"... we cannot control every view, can you?
DS is in the other IP school in Bishan albeit only in year 2. From what I observed, the boys do not frown upon any classmate's school background or other background. Actually, they don't care which school their classmates were from or how they got into the school. Please do not assume and do not put words in their mouths.sushi88:
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2. Frankly, with all the hoo-ha created, for any student to join any JC in yr 5, they would be frowned upon(rightfully or wrongfully) and there is no time in the 2 years to be frowned upon. Do you seriously want to subject yr kids to such pressure and hostility in an existing JC? Ask your kids if they wish to deal with that.
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The key point is with this issue so heated up now, it would be a talking point and there would be some pressure to deal with, a reality. Can we not accept reality?
Do you expect Cheryl from a good school to sue her good school? No? But it happened. Then do you regard her school or its girls any lesser now because of this lawsuit? I am sure the answer is also a \"No\". It is an emphatic \"No\" from me because I can form my own opinion after gathering all the relevant facts. Just want to show you that every school also has its exceptions now that you want to raise this point with me based on a sample from your kids' circle of friends that you have observed. I would never paint all kids from my kids' schools are angels or saints....far from it...but I would say the school tries hard to instill the right behaviour in them as far as possible which incidentally makes a school good as well and generally the majority turns out well eventually. Never say never and do you think Cheryl is an exception?
I am not here to argue, more to share. I take pain to write more just to let you know that you have over-reacted on their behalf and it is actually not good for the kids as it was not even targetted at anyone specific but you have chosen to direct it to them. So please don't take an issue when there is none. Peace. :xedfingers: -
alng:
Technically possible mah. Tertiary centers ending with 'institution' are not JC per se. Same goes for those ending with 'high'. So depends on how one interpretes it.blurblob11:
From what I heard, one of the principals of the 3 affected sec schools actually declared that the new JC ranking would surpass the top JC during the first Open House when IP was introduced in the school. This had attracted some parents to forgo the top JC and chose this school.
What I have heard from one of the principals 3 years ago was that this new JC would be rank top 3, not surpass the top JC.
Seriously though, I doubt any high ranking moe staff will make such a big promise upfront without any caveat. And I suspect the gist of the message was lost in translation.
Just bcoz someone posted it here doesn't mean it's 100% factually correct. We've many past examples of this.
Edit: Not referring specifically to anyone here. -
iRabbit:
You scared har?
Edit: Not referring specifically to anyone here. -
Nebbermind:
Actually am referring specially to myself.
You scared har?iRabbit:
Edit: Not referring specifically to anyone here.
I can be muddle-headed and post ambiguous entries. -
sushi88:
Please note \"any JC\" so....? Please also note \"rightfully or wrongfully\"... we cannot control every view, can you?
DS is in the other IP school in Bishan albeit only in year 2. From what I observed, the boys do not frown upon any classmate's school background or other background. Actually, they don't care which school their classmates were from or how they got into the school. Please do not assume and do not put words in their mouths.ngl2010:
[quote=\"sushi88\"]
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2. Frankly, with all the hoo-ha created, for any student to join any JC in yr 5, they would be frowned upon(rightfully or wrongfully) and there is no time in the 2 years to be frowned upon. Do you seriously want to subject yr kids to such pressure and hostility in an existing JC? Ask your kids if they wish to deal with that.
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The key point is with this issue so heated up now, it would be a talking point and there would be some pressure to deal with, a reality. Can we not accept reality?
Do you expect Cheryl from a good school to sue her good school? No? But it happened. Then do you regard her school or its girls any lesser now because of this lawsuit? I am sure the answer is also a \"No\". It is an emphatic \"No\" from me because I can form my own opinion after gathering all the relevant facts. Just want to show you that every school also has its exceptions now that you want to raise this point with me based on a sample from your kids' circle of friends that you have observed. I would never paint all kids from my kids' schools are angels or saints....far from it...but I would say the school tries hard to instill the right behaviour in them as far as possible which incidentally makes a school good as well and generally the majority turns out well eventually. Never say never and do you think Cheryl is an exception?
I am not here to argue, more to share. I take pain to write more just to let you know that you have over-reacted on their behalf and it is actually not good for the kids as it was not even targetted at anyone specific but you have chosen to direct it to them. So please don't take an issue when there is none. Peace. :xedfingers:[/quote]To share? Your sentences \"Do you seriously want to subject yr kids to such pressure and hostility in an existing JC? Ask your kids if they wish to deal with that.\" sounds more to scare than to share unless you/your kid experienced such thing before.
Cheryl's case is not on trial yet but her friends already found guilty?? -
sushi88:
lee_yl:
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/singapore/education/story/moe-mulling-over-bishan-interim-jc-site-20150527
A factual report on the dialogue with MOE on Monday night.
Many issues raised by the parents that night, went unanswered by the MOE panel. Hope to see some resolution in the coming weeks.
Can share what are the \"many issues raised that went unanswered\"?
Parents were looking for some accountability for the delay, confirmed date for the completion of the new JC at the designated site, possible alternative sites and contingency plans should the designated permanent site not be suitable or the construction works assessed to be too complex etc. MOE preferred to talk about Mt Sinai, provision of shuttle buses etc. Basically, both sides were on different frequencies.
As far as I read the report, MOE has taken a big step to review the venue of the interim site and that has already MET the main issue causing the problem. I thought that was a good cause for celebration that you have been heard. Raising irrelevant issues would only put a negative light on the parents now for trying to take advantage of the situation.
ITE AMK site was earlier raised by affected parents to MOE as an alternative interim site and MOE REJECTED the idea after an assessment, the reasons being that the ITE AMK site did not have enough facilities such as lecture theatres and labs, the common facilities such as canteen and hall were small and could not accommodate 2 cohorts of JC students as well as fewer sports facilities. Possibly, affected parents had already formed the impression from MOE that ITE AMK may not be a suitable site and were thus lukewarm to the idea resurfaced by MOE.
Here is some analysis to share:
1. There is no point in pushing for a new JC to be built. Safety first.
As pioneers, there has to be some good pioneer spirit shown at this point when MOE is willing to come to some form of agreement on an alternative site within Bishan itself. Hope people can see this as a win-win approach MOE is trying to extend. Detractors thought that Mt Sinai was the only site, wasn't it? And it has become more apparent that MOE is willing to discuss.
Interestingly, parents did not insist that it must be the designated permanent site in view of the delays arising from the soil tests and complexity of building a high-rise school building above major tunnels and would rather go for other more assured sites to start building the new JC asap so that it could be completed earlier than 2019. Some sites were proposed by the parents but the MOE panel was silent on the site proposed.
The main response from MOE was that it would take longer than end-2019 to build a new JC on another plot of land. Considering that the planned construction of a high-rise school building over an untested plot of land with massive tunneling works beneath was deemed extremely complex, it is surprising that a more straight forward construction would take longer.
Sadly, MOE was ill-prepared for the session. For the dialogue, only 6 slides were prepared which neither offered new information nor tried to anticipate what the parents were looking for in order to pro-actively provide the answers. Should the issue drag on without effective engagement of the parents, it may cast a negative light on MOE and worse, put Min under a bad light.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_xC0SDKPxSqTUlDeHlVMGZleVU/view -
ngl2010:
Yes, it is sharing about the reality. One cannot run away from the reality, only way is to deal with it. Again, please note that I am pointing to any existing JC....and any JC has presence of kids of exception if what you feel that what you observed is the norm extended to any JC.
To share? Your sentences \"Do you seriously want to subject yr kids to such pressure and hostility in an existing JC? Ask your kids if they wish to deal with that.\" sounds more to scare than to share unless you/your kid experienced such thing before.sushi88:
Please note \"any JC\" so....? Please also note \"rightfully or wrongfully\"... we cannot control every view, can you?
The key point is with this issue so heated up now, it would be a talking point and there would be some pressure to deal with, a reality. Can we not accept reality?
Do you expect Cheryl from a good school to sue her good school? No? But it happened. Then do you regard her school or its girls any lesser now because of this lawsuit? I am sure the answer is also a \"No\". It is an emphatic \"No\" from me because I can form my own opinion after gathering all the relevant facts. Just want to show you that every school also has its exceptions now that you want to raise this point with me based on a sample from your kids' circle of friends that you have observed. I would never paint all kids from my kids' schools are angels or saints....far from it...but I would say the school tries hard to instill the right behaviour in them as far as possible which incidentally makes a school good as well and generally the majority turns out well eventually. Never say never and do you think Cheryl is an exception?
I am not here to argue, more to share. I take pain to write more just to let you know that you have over-reacted on their behalf and it is actually not good for the kids as it was not even targetted at anyone specific but you have chosen to direct it to them. So please don't take an issue when there is none. Peace. :xedfingers:
Cheryl's case is not on trial yet but her friends already found guilty??
You have totally missed the point about Cheryl's case...so I should rest my case. It suffices if you understand I am not refering to the school you have in mind specifically. No offence to anyone.
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