Homosexuality
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Erm, to be fair, I think it's best to qualify that to Christians, all mankind are born sinners, not just some.. to us, yes, homosexuality is taught to be a sin.
We are all entitled to our own opinions, just as you are.. and yes I have several friends who are homosexuals.. even my own sister is one.. they know I love them just the same. If they know u will not judge them, they don see why they need to hide.. I believe it is their choice, because they have shared their struggles with me.. that is my personal opinion
I agree that Biological trait, classifications etc or not, it's just 'science'.. and science is just human understanding of the unknown...sometimes on what are these tests and thesis based on, we wouldn't know... we can all debate or have opinions, but only the Creator, whoever u believe that to be, will know.
I believe the thread starter just thought to seek forummers' opinions, nothing more.. we can still share while respecting each other's opinions rite..
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westmom:
Homosexuality - I felt is a personal choice rather than one is born like that? Because it like the subject of cloning - is like we temper with the True Nature.
To answer this truthfully, ask ourselves what do we want our child/kid to be? The answer is more or less there....kiasimom:
How do you view homosexuality?
I dont condemn homsexuality but i rather pity the state of the person because they have to make choices that go against many odds in the society.
Society(which is made up of all sort of people) never seem to find a balance in life that make it easy for human being to co-exist.
I dont have any answer to this topic but is one topic that is very close to my heart because I am a parent. I cannot control some of the influence that go on around my child but i dont think I know how to handle it if i have to make a choice on this topic??
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I just feel that people don’t understand what they are talking about. You mean people struggle so much to make a choice that is disadvantages. You see the point? They know that there is prejudice and every factors are stacked against them, yet they choose to be homosexuals? Common sense will tell you that there is a strong innate biological traits that dictates his/her "so-cll choice" strongly. I am not denying that people have no choice at all, some people have a choice bcos they are bisexual.
And I want to clarify one point. Even though science does not claim to know everything but the process used by science is that of objectivity and once it is known, you can’t call it unknown anymore. Fact is that we have understood more and more thing through science. And whether, there is creator or not, we cannot stop thinking and merely attribute everything that we don’t understand to that.
You are entitled to have your own opinion even if it is against all evidences. -
WeiHan:
Well, yours is an oft used defence, and I disagree. And, it is not against all evidences, as you put it. Did you research this topic entirely from ground up, from an anthropological, evolutionary and theological perspective, or are you parroting the positions of the pro-gay camp, who unsurprisingly would be selective about what they put forth as 'evidence'. You state a position as if it were incontrovertible fact, well, it is not. It is a position, no more, no less. Before you cast stones, how much, dear sir, do you understand about the topic?I just feel that people don't understand what they are talking about. You mean people struggle so much to make a choice that is disadvantages. You see the point? They know that there is prejudice and every factors are stacked against them, yet they choose to be homosexuals? Common sense will tell you that there is a strong innate biological traits that dictates his/her \"so-cll choice\" strongly. I am not denying that people have no choice at all, some people have a choice bcos they are bisexual.
And I want to clarify one point. Even though science does not claim to know everything but the process used by science is that of objectivity and once it is known, you can't call it unknown anymore. Fact is that we have understood more and more thing through science. And whether, there is creator or not, we cannot stop thinking and merely attribute everything that we don't understand to that.
You are entitled to have your own opinion even if it is against all evidences.
Do certain folk have certain propensities to certain behaviours? Of course. Some folk have a propensity to sexual addiction, some to problem gambling, some to alcoholism. Does it therefore make those behaviours excusable or allowable? I am not equating homosexual tendencies to those destructive behaviours, merely making a point that having a propensity to a certain tendency does not automatically excuse it or make it right.
We as humans are presumed to have a higher cognitive order and discerment, i.e., we don't just do what feels right at the point in time, but are able to make judgements about our feelings, actions and consequences thereof. Twin studies will show you there is concordance in MZ twins for homosexual behaviour, which is perhaps unsurprising, but the interesting fact is that there is also a high DIScordance, meaning we are not completely bound by genetics. i.e., we have a choice. -
Hi Kiasimom, I have actually had two experiences with these types of people, in p5, and in p6, but I still do not think that we should discriminate people due to the fact that they like people of the same gender. You should just decide on whether you are comfortable with them being your friends or not, and explain to them. Just my 2 cents worth.
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3Boys:
I do know more than the twin studies that pointed to the biological basis for homosexuality including brain structure studies etc..And I have to clarify one common mistake including you that are making. By biological, it is not necessarily genetical.
Well, yours is an oft used defence, and I disagree. And, it is not against all evidences, as you put it. Did you research this topic entirely from ground up, from an anthropological, evolutionary and theological perspective, or are you parroting the positions of the pro-gay camp, who unsurprisingly would be selective about what they put forth as 'evidence'. You state a position as if it were incontrovertible fact, well, it is not. It is a position, no more, no less. Before you cast stones, how much, dear sir, do you understand about the topic?
Do certain folk have certain propensities to certain behaviours? Of course. Some folk have a propensity to sexual addiction, some to problem gambling, some to alcoholism. Does it therefore make those behaviours excusable or allowable? I am not equating homosexual tendencies to those destructive behaviours, merely making a point that having a propensity to a certain tendency does not automatically excuse it or make it right.
We as humans are presumed to have a higher cognitive order and discerment, i.e., we don't just do what feels right at the point in time, but are able to make judgements about our feelings, actions and consequences thereof. Twin studies will show you there is concordance in MZ twins for homosexual behaviour, which is perhaps unsurprising, but the interesting fact is that there is also a high DIScordance, meaning we are not completely bound by genetics. i.e., we have a choice.
Your logic that discordance in twin studies implies that we have a choice is flawed. Those discordance cases that showed that the other twin sibling isn't homosexuals. They didn't make any choice to be straight. -
Wei Han, theoretical discussion can only get us so far… If you know any homosexual friends, perhaps it can shed better light.
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WeiHan:
Btw, I know who they are and they tell me without qualms. Not supporting the idea of propagating this trend of choices does not mean that I am not able to be friends with gay people. This is also a wrong perception. They let me know because they see that I still respect them as an individual and do not discriminate them in any way, at work or at play. Of course, if they ask me would I allow my child to make a choice towards such a direction, it would be an emphatic \"No\" unless there are very good and valid reasons for making that choice.
Yah...as if they will tell you who they are since some people already call them sinners; simply pull out verses from their book to justify themselves. -
ks2me:
Btw, I know who they are and they tell me without qualms. Not supporting the idea of propagating this trend of choices does not mean that I am not able to be friends with gay people. This is also a wrong perception. They let me know because they see that I still respect them as an individual and do not discriminate them in any way, at work or at play. Of course, if they ask me would I allow my child to make a choice towards such a direction, it would be an emphatic \"No\" unless there are very good and valid reasons for making that choice.
ks2me. If your child is not a homosexual, there is no point for you worrying that he/she will make such a choice because he/she will naturally be attracted to people of opposite sex and no influence can be bigger to change that. If he/she is a homosexual by sexual orientation, it is possible that he/she chooses a spouse of the opposite sex but then it will mean that he/she is not choosing a person that they really love to form a family with and you should know this is tragic both for him/her and their spouses. Did you watch the movie Brokeback Mountain? -
WeiHan:
I know what you mean WeiHan, but human beings are very complex, I don't think I can claim to know all possibilities too. I know of at least 3 real people I know who changed their orientation because of dramatic events in their lives that affected them. The fear of being near a woman after some dramatic happening has naturally diverted them in the opposite way but they claimed they were born ok and they had normal relationships before..... I also know a group who are born to have such inclination from young so it varies.
ks2me. If your child is not a homosexual, there is no point for you worrying that he/she will make such a choice because he/she will naturally be attracted to people of opposite sex and no influence can be bigger to change that. If he/she is a homosexual by sexual orientation, it is possible that he/she chooses a spouse of the opposite sex but then it will mean that he/she is not choosing a person that they really love to form a family with and you should know this is tragic both for him/her and their spouses. Did you watch the movie Brokeback Mountain?
So as far as I am concerned as a parent, I do believe in the power of influence, especially bad ones.
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