MPV review

[MMM]

Hi,


Every car has a scrap value. There are some formulations behind it and it is driven by PARF and COE. At the point of scrapping (de-registering the car), the are some values left for each car. That is the minimum value that the dealers are willing to pay you if you sell your car to them. The value is very much driven by the age of the car. Pls refer to the link below.

http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/publish/onemotoring/en/lta_information_guidelines/de_register_a_vehicle/PARF_COE_Rebates.html

1.5 and 1.6 is engine capacity. Eg. the higher it is, the more \"powerful\" the car is. But of course the road tax is also alot more expensive.

Honda is potentially more expensive because it is made in Japan (my impression and there is also the Yen impact since Yen is pretty strong now) while alot of Toyota cars are now made in Thailand. I suspect their PARF value differs too. One observation however is that the price erosion of Honda is less steep than those of Toyota. Honda sort of hold the selling price. Both are reliable brands. Try to test drive it you may feel the difference too : ) Personally we find that Honda cars provide a better driving experience. But Toyota is not bad either.

[ChiefKiasu]

MMM:

...Every car has a scrap value. There are some formulations behind it and it is driven by PARF and COE...

Woohoo... MMM... you know more about cars than I do. Anyway, market has it that the Toyotas these days are not as good as when they were made in Japan, no offence intended for our Thai friends. I'm not sure how true that is, but I gave up on Borneo Motors since quite a while back. Can't stand the take-it-or-leave-it mentality that seems to permeate most of their sales people.

I used to drive the 2.4l Mitsubishi Grandis... gave up after 4 years. It was a good car, but the gas consumption was horrendous.

[heutistmeintag]

More models for your considerations -

Volvo XC90
Mercedes R series
Audi Q7
Citroen C4 Grand Picasso
Toyota MarkX Zio
Honda Elysion
Mazda CX7
Subaru Exiga
Chrysler Grand Voyager
Chevrolet Captiva

if you dun mind MPV/SUV crossover
Subaru Tribeca
Mitsubishi Outlander

I drove a Honda Stream 2.0 for 3 years before "upgrading" to Ody as my kids had grown taller and I have to ferry up to 8 people during some weekends. I am happy with my JDM Ody (200 BHP) and think will use it for at least 5 years. My considerations were based on price, reliability, number of people I need to ferry and driving perfomance. Another important consideration for me was that the Ody is low profile (almost like a sedan) and my old parents could get into it easily. You know, some MPVs are like monsters. lol

Personally, I think Picnic is bang for the buck but I didnt like the plain jane design and I was ignored at Borneo Motors when I was there to book the Picnic. However I would suggest going around and check out the cars. Watch out for MPVs that are under-powered and crampy rear (3rd) row seats.

[allseasons]

Waa… MMM, you really knows a lot abt cars. Cool !! . Yeah, most of Toyota now are made in Thailand. How abt small sedan by Nissan? Any comments abt this?

[MMM]

:oops: Maybe talking to various car dealers and having had 3 previous cars helped?


Hi Heutistmeintag,

Odyssey is really a great car. It feels like a sedan rather than MPV. We had the same consideration as you too for ease of entry. We are driving the estima these few days while our car is at wkshop. At 110KM, my hubby said the steering wheel starts to vibrate. We had this experience with the picnic as well. Also as it's higher, it feels like \"flying\" so it feels rather \"dangerous\". But the kids are really fascinated with the sliding door!!!

We drove the new picnic just before the odyssey. So we don't really mind gg back to picnic. Hubby is looking for cost savings if we decide to get a new car. He don't want to pay another 90+k for a brand new odyssey. Unless he cannot part with the driving feel. He kept complaining abt the estima. Being typical accountants, car are viewed as cost and so long it meet the need, he don't believe in paying for branded car even if we can afford.

Have you heard about Daihatsu Terios? Hubby said it's only 60K +, can seat 7 and only 1.5cc. I've not seen it. We saw the Touran at his friend's recommendation but it's really squeezy behind.

Hi All seasons,

Try asking the Nissan dealer, they will definitely tell you. Japan made is a \"selling point\" so if it is, they would more than happy to tell you.

Hi Chief,

Yes Borneo motors sales people were very cocky. But they are better now given the economic issue. The honda sales guy threw in his personal commission when we bought a car. But borneo sales guy don't seem to do that.

[scoobydoo]

Hi MMM, I guess the Ody can be considered the best in it’s class, so it will be hard for the others to match up. I agree that the BM SE are cocky, if it wasn’t for the 10K difference, I would have gotten the Stream instead of the Wish.

[barney]

[quote]Hi MMM, I guess the Ody can be considered the best in it's class, so it will be hard for the others to match up.[/quote]
This statement is true, we had wish before odyssey and have actually looked at picnic, mazda 5 and another korean make before deciding on odyssey. If you need to take 7 pple, 1.5lit will not make it, you'll end up consuming more fuel or need to send the car for maintenance earlier.

I'm not an expert in driving as I do not drive often but can really tell the diff between a 1.8lit wish and 2.4lit odyssey when I drive. Only disadvantage on these MPVs...I've difficulty trying to park them :oops:

[heutistmeintag]

scoobydoo:

Hi MMM, I guess the Ody can be considered the best in it's class, so it will be hard for the others to match up. I agree that the BM SE are cocky, if it wasn't for the 10K difference, I would have gotten the Stream instead of the Wish.

I absolutely agreed with what you said. Looks like there are quite a few Ody owners here. Scooby, are you from SHC and/or SSOG?

[scoobydoo]

heutistmeintag:

scoobydoo:

Hi MMM, I guess the Ody can be considered the best in it's class, so it will be hard for the others to match up. I agree that the BM SE are cocky, if it wasn't for the 10K difference, I would have gotten the Stream instead of the Wish.

I absolutely agreed with what you said. Looks like there are quite a few Ody owners here. Scooby, are you from SHC and/or SSOG?

Neither I guess, I signed up with SSOG, but did not post anything as I ended up with the Wish instead :lol:

[Karpi]

stick to your current odyssey.


maintainance cost is inevitable even for younger cars. if you are
really concern about this part as the main reason of changing.

since your hubby is a accountant, the more he should be able to
determine the cost of depreciation & liability of a new car.

Odyssey is a great MPV. Unless u have other concerns that are not
mentioned, else keep to your current MPV. Moreover, this MPV
is already spacious, few current available MPV is more spacious that
it is.