2010 DSA(Direct School Admission)

[jtoh]

verykiasu2010:

Sorry for the typo above : the chances are even - for the DSA

at S1 posting, everyone is based on T-score

Thanks for the information. But I seem to get a different impression from the people I speak to. That is, of the total number of students getting in via DSA Academic, a higher majority are GEP students. If you include DSA via Sports, Music and other talents, then maybe the number of GEP vs non-GEP is more even.

[traineeks]

verykiasu2010:

reason for GEPpers to chose RI/HCI/RGS/NYGH is that these schools provide SBGE while NJC & NUSHS does not

There are 7 SBGE schools:

ACSI, Dunman High, HCI, NYGH, RI, RGS, NUSHS.

Info can be found on MOE website:

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/programmes/gifted-education-programme/gep-schools/

I think many choose RI/HCI/RGS/NYGH because they are more established schools. The pioneer batches of NUSHS still needs to establish consistent and proven paths to top universities and scholarships.

[BusyB]

verykiasu2010:

clover18:

What about at the girls' school like RGS / NYGH? Do the non-GEP students compete on equal footing with the GEPers when it comes to DSA? My girl is not from GEP, and i was hoping she will do well in the Mths Olympiad to improve her chances of securing a place to RGS/NYGH via DSA academic. Reading what you have shared, it does not seem the olympiad results will help that much... :shock:

I believe the chances are even

From my conversation with the principals, a high proportion of DSA vacancies are reserved for NON-GEPpers !

Also, there are only about 500 GEPpers nationwide

If you combine the total vacancies from those schools like HCI, RI, RGS, NYGH, NUSHS, CHS, DHS.......you will realise that there are lots of places available

As I posted before elsewhere on this KSP website, they are looking for consistent good results from P4 to P6, if via DSA academic

Yes, if you combine the total vacancies, there are lots. However, please note that the schools do not fill up all vacancies during the DSA phase. In fact, for non-GEPpers. the schools like RI/RGS/NYGH/HCI will wait for PSLE results out and then accept them in when they make the grade. The GEPpers are supposed to be the \"top of the cream\", so they all vie to get these students in. As for the mainstreamers, they will wait for PSLE results out to prove they are \"top of the cream\", then the students will apply for these schools and they will then accept them in. I can bet that if you have any DSA statistics from any of these schools, based on the number of students they make an offer, you can see the difference in % between GEPpers and non-GEPpers, as well as the success rate of the 2 groups.

[cascada]

Actually I quite worry that DS1 will become demotivated if he is not offered a place during DSA. Even if the demotivation is temporary, it is still an emotional setback and might affect his PSLE preparation process.

Just that if this really happens, he will be able to think positively and take it as a learning experience.

[clover18]

I have the same worry as you, cascada. It can be de-motivating for the child esp if they see the GEP counterparts being offered a place. Not a good feeling to manage in the midst of psle preparation. sigh…sigh…

[verykiasu2010]

BusyB:

verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"clover18\"]What about at the girls' school like RGS / NYGH? Do the non-GEP students compete on equal footing with the GEPers when it comes to DSA? My girl is not from GEP, and i was hoping she will do well in the Mths Olympiad to improve her chances of securing a place to RGS/NYGH via DSA academic. Reading what you have shared, it does not seem the olympiad results will help that much... :shock:

I believe the chances are even

From my conversation with the principals, a high proportion of DSA vacancies are reserved for NON-GEPpers !

Also, there are only about 500 GEPpers nationwide

If you combine the total vacancies from those schools like HCI, RI, RGS, NYGH, NUSHS, CHS, DHS.......you will realise that there are lots of places available

As I posted before elsewhere on this KSP website, they are looking for consistent good results from P4 to P6, if via DSA academic

Yes, if you combine the total vacancies, there are lots. However, please note that the schools do not fill up all vacancies during the DSA phase. In fact, for non-GEPpers. the schools like RI/RGS/NYGH/HCI will wait for PSLE results out and then accept them in when they make the grade. The GEPpers are supposed to be the \"top of the cream\", so they all vie to get these students in. As for the mainstreamers, they will wait for PSLE results out to prove they are \"top of the cream\", then the students will apply for these schools and they will then accept them in. I can bet that if you have any DSA statistics from any of these schools, based on the number of students they make an offer, you can see the difference in % between GEPpers and non-GEPpers, as well as the success rate of the 2 groups.[/quote]I cannot quote you which school principals I spoke to. Suffice to say that I know them personally. And I asked precisely what is the % between GEPpers and non-GEPpers at DSA phase. The answer is what I have said before. One more thing : IP / independent schools are allowed to take in more students at DSA compared to those other schools offering DSA in niche area.

DSA via academic require very consistent TOP results from P4 to P6 (SA1). And I believe different primary schools' standard are different and so it will be sieved out via the GAT, writings, camps, and so on. I know some SAP schools' prelim t-score are on average 20 points below PSLE t-score, and the range is from 10 to 60 points difference

[BusyB]

verykiasu2010:

BusyB:

[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]
I believe the chances are even

From my conversation with the principals, a high proportion of DSA vacancies are reserved for NON-GEPpers !

Also, there are only about 500 GEPpers nationwide

If you combine the total vacancies from those schools like HCI, RI, RGS, NYGH, NUSHS, CHS, DHS.......you will realise that there are lots of places available

As I posted before elsewhere on this KSP website, they are looking for consistent good results from P4 to P6, if via DSA academic

Yes, if you combine the total vacancies, there are lots. However, please note that the schools do not fill up all vacancies during the DSA phase. In fact, for non-GEPpers. the schools like RI/RGS/NYGH/HCI will wait for PSLE results out and then accept them in when they make the grade. The GEPpers are supposed to be the \"top of the cream\", so they all vie to get these students in. As for the mainstreamers, they will wait for PSLE results out to prove they are \"top of the cream\", then the students will apply for these schools and they will then accept them in. I can bet that if you have any DSA statistics from any of these schools, based on the number of students they make an offer, you can see the difference in % between GEPpers and non-GEPpers, as well as the success rate of the 2 groups.

I cannot quote you which school principals I spoke to. Suffice to say that I know them personally. And I asked precisely what is the % between GEPpers and non-GEPpers at DSA phase. The answer is what I have said before. One more thing : IP / independent schools are allowed to take in more students at DSA compared to those other schools offering DSA in niche area.

DSA via academic require very consistent TOP results from P4 to P6 (SA1). And I believe different primary schools' standard are different and so it will be sieved out via the GAT, writings, camps, and so on. I know some SAP schools' prelim t-score are on average 20 points below PSLE t-score, and the range is from 10 to 60 points difference[/quote]% or even ratio are all measurements based on relativity. Let me give you an example: if the school has 200 places filled via DSA and they inform that it is 50% GEPper and 50% mainstream (even chance), that means it is 100 each. 100 from a cohort of 500 GEPper is 20%, 100 from a cohort of 40,000+ mainstreamers is only a very small percentage. Success rate of GEPpers is definitely much higher than mainstreamers (even if you go by % of students applying for DSA for that school)

[verykiasu2010]

BusyB:

% or even ratio are all measurements based on relativity. Let me give you an example: if the school has 200 places filled via DSA and they inform that it is 50% GEPper and 50% mainstream (even chance), that means it is 100 each. 100 from a cohort of 500 GEPper is 20%, 100 from a cohort of 40,000+ mainstreamers is only a very small percentage. Success rate of GEPpers is definitely much higher than mainstreamers (even if you go by % of students applying for DSA for that school)

well, since they are able to get into GEP, they deserve it. And GEPpers also need to get past screening tests (not GAT though)

if any non-GEP kid can prove their worth, they will get in as well, even chances. I know there are many who get in because they can prove that they are as good as their GEP peers.

if a non-GEP kid cannot even be among the top 10% of the cohort of 40,000+ kids, then blame who ? at least they do not fill up all the places with GEPpers at DSA.

[cascada]

clover18:

I have the same worry as you, cascada. It can be de-motivating for the child esp if they see the GEP counterparts being offered a place. Not a good feeling to manage in the midst of psle preparation. sigh...sigh...

That's why at first I thought of missing out on DSA totally so that he can focus his effort on PSLE, also avoid the stress time spent on taking DSA tests & interviews.
On second thought, I'll be denying him a chance on DSA if not trying at all.
Very difficult ... ...

[verykiasu2010]

cascada:

clover18:

I have the same worry as you, cascada. It can be de-motivating for the child esp if they see the GEP counterparts being offered a place. Not a good feeling to manage in the midst of psle preparation. sigh...sigh...

That's why at first I thought of missing out on DSA totally so that he can focus his effort on PSLE, also avoid the stress time spent on taking DSA tests & interviews.
On second thought, I'll be denying him a chance on DSA if not trying at all.
Very difficult ... ...

I think the approach to it is this : this is an additional chance to try to get into that dream school. If can get in - good. If not, redouble the effor for PSLE. Nothing to be disappointed - tell it to the kids. Grab the extra opportunity provided - especially if the kids have been producing good results consistently