Any Updates As To When PSLE T-Scores Will Be Scrapped?
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zulu:
Cannot agree more. Success should be celebrated.[/quote]Yep, agreed absolutely. Government encourage to celebrate success in sports, music, etc. But why not celebrate success in academics as well? The kids who excel in academics also put in their hard work and effort to achieve this success, so why should we not recognise their effort and simply hush it?zbear:
[quote=\"sushi88\"]I think I understand what iRabbit is getting at. Whatever system we implement, we should not go to the extreme....like going in the broad banding direction, while it reduces stress, I hope we are also not over promoting mediocrity. Sometimes in such environment to make everyone less competitive, we may also end up making excellence a taboo to talk about. I would find such an end result very suffocating too as we artificially try to suppress good performance to make everyone feel good about themselves. That, would be a NIGHTMARE to me. :yikes:
MERITOCRACY is still the fundamental principle and truly outstanding performance should still be celebrated without being frown upon or name-calling as elitism.
I agree. I do not understand why excellent results have to be hush hush. In the past when my kids were in Primary School, I looked forward to reading abt top scorers in Singapore as I find their success stories inspiring n I will encourage my kids to read so that they can their best.
Why do parents whose kids are not in the high ability range feel envious of others who perform better?
Please do not say that is adding pressure to other kids, I am sure the same can be said for music, sports, etc. as well. -
After this change and parents still not happy, MOE can go back to the 1960s-70s system, no T-score, no grades, only 'Pass' or 'Fail', just go to the school MOE allocated :rotflmao:
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iRabbit:
What makes you think that the top 10-20 in academic abilities in the whole level can be identified at the sec 1 admissions stage when they cannot even be properly identified at the university admissions stage?
Sorry I wasn't clear enough in my post. I was referring to children who are way above my ds in academic abilities; like the top 10-20 in the whole level of 50,000. I'm concerned that these children won't be adequately challenged if they are balloted into any IP schs.
It's at that level I'm saying. Somehow I have assumed that I was clear in my post when I wasn't.
Even President's scholars can fail to get First Class Honours, while those with less than stellar PSLE, O-level and A-level results or come from unorthodox places manage to achieve it.
Only talking about academic abilities here har. -
pirate:
What makes you think that the top 10-20 in academic abilities in the whole level can be identified at the sec 1 admissions stage when they cannot even be properly identified at the university admissions stage?iRabbit:
Sorry I wasn't clear enough in my post. I was referring to children who are way above my ds in academic abilities; like the top 10-20 in the whole level of 50,000. I'm concerned that these children won't be adequately challenged if they are balloted into any IP schs.
It's at that level I'm saying. Somehow I have assumed that I was clear in my post when I wasn't.
Even President's scholars can fail to get First Class Honours, while those with less than stellar PSLE, O-level and A-level results or come from unorthodox places manage to achieve it. I even know of an Oxford University prize winner from the Commerce stream. Nowadays to take Commerce stream must go to Millennia Institute. :razz:
Don't worry about the top 10-20 in the whole level. They will be able to find ways to challenge or amuse themselves.
Only talking about academic abilities here har. -
iRabbit:
Ah Ha...don't forget we still have NUSH which is 100% DSA, SST, SOTA...who knows government may come up with more specialized schools for such 龙中龙 and 凤中凤， I think we cannot deny that cream of crop always have plenty of opportunities as compared to the \"average guy\".I'm concerned that these children won't be adequately challenged if they are balloted into any IP schs.
I firmly believe in meritocracy myself too and I agree that academic success should be celebrated, but having seen how my DS struggled with the systems, and seems like only he has mommy/tuition to help him, bcos in school, it is a reality that teachers cannot take care of the whole class of 40, (our teachers are indeed over-worked) it got me thinking if the government can do more to help such kids in the mid range as they move into sec school, who knows there are hidden gems yet to be discovered.
So I guess it will be interesting to watch how MOE balances between all these in the end.
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XYZ1:
This writer posted the same views as you, xyz1.
Ah Ha...don't forget we still have NUSH which is 100% DSA, SST, SOTA...who knows government may come up with more specialized schools for such 龙中龙 and 凤中凤， I think we cannot deny that cream of crop always have plenty of opportunities as compared to the \"average guy\".iRabbit:
I'm concerned that these children won't be adequately challenged if they are balloted into any IP schs.
I firmly believe in meritocracy myself too and I agree that academic success should be celebrated, but having seen how my DS struggled with the systems, and seems like only he has mommy/tuition to help him, bcos in school, it is a reality that teachers cannot take care of the whole class of 40, (our teachers are indeed over-worked) it got me thinking if the government can do more to help such kids in the mid range as they move into sec school, who knows there are hidden gems yet to be discovered.
So I guess it will be interesting to watch how MOE balances between all these in the end.
http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/ ... psle-rules
What Singapore must do is to create and increase acceptance of a diversity of paths to a good life, so that a top school is deemed to be less of a determinant in later success. For example, while it would be unfeasible and unfair to the brightest students to make all schools uniformly equal, the government should try to reduce gaps, real or perceived, in the quality of teaching and access to resources between schools. -
Pen88n:
Someone explained his views this way. Music and sports are optional activities so it's acceptable to be stressed if one chooses to engage in such activities. On the other hand, academics are compulsory.
Yep, agreed absolutely. Government encourage to celebrate success in sports, music, etc. But why not celebrate success in academics as well? The kids who excel in academics also put in their hard work and effort to achieve this success, so why should we not recognise their effort and simply hush it?
Please do not say that is adding pressure to other kids, I am sure the same can be said for music, sports, etc. as well.
Personally I find it inspiring to read the success stories of academic table toppers (in those days when they still interview them). -
pirate:
Didn't know that commerce needs to go MI. Things have changed a lot.
Even President's scholars can fail to get First Class Honours, while those with less than stellar PSLE, O-level and A-level results or come from unorthodox places manage to achieve it. I even know of an Oxford University prize winner from the Commerce stream. Nowadays to take Commerce stream must go to Millennia Institute. :razz:
Don't worry about the top 10-20 in the whole level. They will be able to find ways to challenge or amuse themselves.
Only talking about academic abilities here har. -
sushi88:
Yes, you understood me perfectly.I think I understand what iRabbit is getting at. Whatever system we implement, we should not go to the extreme....like going in the broad banding direction, while it reduces stress, I hope we are also not over promoting mediocrity. Sometimes in such environment to make everyone less competitive, we may also end up making excellence a taboo to talk about. I would find such an end result very suffocating too as we artificially try to suppress good performance to make everyone feel good about themselves. That, would be a NIGHTMARE to me. :yikes:
MERITOCRACY is still the fundamental principle and truly outstanding performance should still be celebrated without being frown upon or name-calling as elitism.
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iRabbit:
Ya lor. Cannot understand why they shunted commerce from the JCs to MI. Is it even available as a 2 year course now? Just because it is not glamorous. In the old days, there were still the odd top scorers who opted for commerce. Now that it is only available at MI, I think the top scorers will siam far, far away
Didn't know that commerce needs to go MI. Things have changed a lot.pirate:
Even President's scholars can fail to get First Class Honours, while those with less than stellar PSLE, O-level and A-level results or come from unorthodox places manage to achieve it. I even know of an Oxford University prize winner from the Commerce stream. Nowadays to take Commerce stream must go to Millennia Institute. :razz:
Don't worry about the top 10-20 in the whole level. They will be able to find ways to challenge or amuse themselves.
Only talking about academic abilities here har.
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In the meantime, SMEs will tell you that nobody can find any halfway decent Singaporean book-keeper to keep one's accounts. Have to employ Malaysians. :razz:
All these creeping changes towards 'meritocracy' over the years. That's how we ended up with the monster in the first place.
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