Compare RGS vs NYGH

[marmalade]

lego:

You might not think that is a 'fair' criteria, but what is 'fair' to you might not be 'fair' to others too.

This is very true. In fact, this is akin to getting employed to a company of your choice.

For example, applicants for SIA Cadet Pilot Intake has to go through 5 stages of selection process, and it ends with the final interview with the top management aka the Tea Party.
They did not explicitly state what they are looking for in the interview but I believe like most interviews, they would like to see if you are a \"good fit\". So this again, is subjective. Even if you are extremely good in air craft knowledge and show great aptitude in flying, they might not consider you. Further, SIA will not entertain applicants who have gone through the final interview but got rejected. (\"Candidates who have attended our final interviews previously need not apply.\")

Many other companies also practice informal interviews to gauge their applicants in terms of their way in holding a good conversation, how they behave in social settings, etc.

So life's like this, when a door closes, a window opens. I am sure each of us has its own place that allows us to shine, especially so for a bright girl with a score of 275.

Note: I am in no way affiliated to RGS, NYGH, or SIA.

[Ikid]

[quote]With an impressive t-score of 275, the gal should be settling happily in another excellent school now. It is always the adults who cannot let it go, not the kids.[/quote]
If this girl is doing well and happy in RGS or any other excellent school, shouldn't she thank NYGH for rejecting her?
Is like a blessing in disguise, when one door closes, another one opens.

If her parent has positive mindset, why not think, NYGH had lost a talented person whereas the current school has gained?

It sounded like the school this girl loved so much had hurt her as much too.
However, if the love is so deep, and she's confident she's academically strong, why not wait for her T-score to gain entry? I have heard of many girls who were not successful in their DSA to their dream school used their T-score to enter, to fulfil their own dreams.

[lego]

marmalade:

lego:

You might not think that is a 'fair' criteria, but what is 'fair' to you might not be 'fair' to others too.

This is very true. In fact, this is akin to getting employed to a company of your choice.

For example, applicants for SIA Cadet Pilot Intake has to go through 5 stages of selection process, and it ends with the final interview with the top management aka the Tea Party.
They did not explicitly state what they are looking for in the interview but I believe like most interviews, they would like to see if you are a \"good fit\". So this again, is subjective. Even if you are extremely good in air craft knowledge and show great aptitude in flying, they might not consider you. Further, SIA will not entertain applicants who have gone through the final interview but got rejected. (\"Candidates who have attended our final interviews previously need not apply.\")

Many other companies also practice informal interviews to gauge their applicants in terms of their way in holding a good conversation, how they behave in social settings, etc.

So life's like this, when a door closes, a window opens. I am sure each of us has its own place that allows us to shine, especially so for a bright girl with a score of 275.

Note: I am in no way affiliated to RGS, NYGH, or SIA.

I think you misquoted. It was written by iFirefly, not me.

[marmalade]

lego:

I think you misquoted. It was written by iFirefly, not me.

Ops sorry. :oops:

[678Yess]

SIA example of selecting pilot shows how serious a selection should be done.

DSA via academic is not about applying a job. It is a young girl seeking to enter a school with oustanding or rise from above talent, according to MOE. Ministry never mentioned school has the authority, under the categories of "diversity", reject someone without a fair judgement. If "diversity" is a catagories, then, nygh should start to take in many form of "diversity" such as special needs child, students with different MT, or take in boys durind DSA…Why should nygh discrimate some students, eventhough they are more
talented than some, reject them just because there are too many students from the same school applying it.
If diversity is a problem, then, SAP is a problem for nygh. Affiliation is a problem for nygh.
Why embrace a policy to isolate yourself, then, at the expense of the fairness to some of the applicants. What kind of value is this?

[pirated]

678Yess:

SIA example of selecting pilot shows how serious a selection should be done.

DSA via academic is not about applying a job. It is a young girl seeking to enter a school with oustanding or rise from above talent, according to MOE. Ministry never mentioned school has the authority, under the categories of \"diversity\", reject someone without a fair judgement. If \"diversity\" is a catagories, then, nygh should start to take in many form of \"diversity\" such as special needs child, students with different MT, or take in boys durind DSA...Why should nygh discrimate some students, eventhough they are more
talented than some, reject them just because there are too many students from the same school applying it.
If diversity is a problem, then, SAP is a problem for nygh. Affiliation is a problem for nygh.
Why embrace a policy to isolate yourself, then, at the expense of the fairness to some of the applicants. What kind of value is this?

What's fair to you is unfair to others. Period.

[Ikid]

678Yess:

SIA example of selecting pilot shows how serious a selection should be done.

DSA via academic is not about applying a job. It is a young girl seeking to enter a school with oustanding or rise from above talent, according to MOE. Ministry never mentioned school has the authority, under the categories of \"diversity\", reject someone without a fair judgement. If \"diversity\" is a catagories, then, nygh should start to take in many form of \"diversity\" such as special needs child, students with different MT, or take in boys durind DSA...Why should nygh discrimate some students, eventhough they are more
talented than some, reject them just because there are too many students from the same school applying it.
If diversity is a problem, then, SAP is a problem for nygh. Affiliation is a problem for nygh.
Why embrace a policy to isolate yourself, then, at the expense of the fairness to some of the applicants. What kind of value is this?

After reading this, if the child also felt how her parent felt, then if I'm the P, I will be glad that I had made the right decision :rotflmao:

And I want to congratulate all girls who had received a CO and WL from NY, because there's truly something in you that the school had identified.

And for those didn't receive a CO or WL but ultimately selected NY, you are great as you have decided to pursue your dream and didn't give up NY! :rahrah: :rotflmao:

I better 'Siam' now :siam:

[rains]

678Yess:

SIA example of selecting pilot shows how serious a selection should be done.

DSA via academic is not about applying a job. It is a young girl seeking to enter a school with oustanding or rise from above talent, according to MOE. Ministry never mentioned school has the authority, under the categories of \"diversity\", reject someone without a fair judgement. If \"diversity\" is a catagories, then, nygh should start to take in many form of \"diversity\" such as special needs child, students with different MT, or take in boys durind DSA...Why should nygh discrimate some students, eventhough they are more
talented than some, reject them just because there are too many students from the same school applying it.
If diversity is a problem, then, SAP is a problem for nygh. Affiliation is a problem for nygh.
Why embrace a policy to isolate yourself, then, at the expense of the fairness to some of the applicants. What kind of value is this?

I am not happy with the school all the time, nor do I agree with the school's policies or practices all the time, but to be fair, when it comes to DSA, schools have the right to decide on the candidates they want. Their definition of 'diversity' may be different from yours but from their perspective, their 'diversity' is the kind of diversity they want. There is no doubt that NYGH wants top or talented students to join them and this must be the basis for selection, and however they decide the rest of the criteria is up to them. It's just like any job interview - sometimes you just don't have the affinity with certain interviewers and you could have been recruited if you had been interviewed by another person from the same company.

DSA is never a fair system becos it's arbitrary and subjective. I personally believe that DSA is not a fair system so I will not put my girls through the DSA system unless I am certain they are national champions or the only talents among their 50, 000-strong peers. I believe in the transparent T-score system so I'd rather rely on it and have no complaints about it.

Anything that requires face-to-face interactions, verbal or not, is arbitrary. And you need not look beautiful or gorgeous to be recruited. If the interviewer is a man, he is more likely to appreciate a young pretty maiden. Conversely, if the interviewer is a frustrated old spinster, she may hate the sight of a pretty young girl.

We should acknowledge that luck is also part of the equation in success.

If you insist on fairness, then I should say it's unfair for NYGH to reject the Nyps girl for DSA academic simply bcos she's from the affiliated school and should stand a good chance in coming through using her T-score, compared to a similar-profile girl from an unknown neighbourhood school. Surely the papers at Nyps are harder than the ones in such schools?

I was telling somebody about what I knew and the person commented that NYGH probably wanted to give the chance to the neighbourhood school girl since she might not hit 265 at psle, and what do you know? She really didn't and she would not have entered NYGH if she had not been offered a CO at DSA. Perhaps NYGH felt the child you mentioned would have no problem entering the school via her T-score so they decided to offer it to someone else who might not seem to have similar chance. If you were the parent of the child deemed as having 'lesser chance' to enter the school but got offered, wouldn't you be glad of the definition of diversity by NYGH?

[678Yess]

If I am the parent of the child who got in, and I know my child was given the offer, not by merit, because of luck, I will feel that I am being humiliated. If such thing can happen to other people in nygh, it can happen to my child in nygh in future. If such practice exist in DSA, it may happen when my child in nygh. My child could be denied of some opportunities in school.


Nygh is not a private school. It is an independent sxhool. Part of the cost of running school is paid through tax payer money. Most students study in independent received some kind of scholarship paid by government. Therefore, it is not up to the school entirely to choose anyone by rejecting anyone without a valid reason. Every applicant deserve a fair and accurate comparison. This is the right of every applicant, don’t you think so?

Luck is not a valid reason for school admission in DSA.
For this, nygh pushes those who have done very well, and willing to consider away.

Every applicant has the right to apply to more than a school, and only consider the school after any CO is received.
Nygh, you lose the chance to take in the gem, in this case, the student I was talking about. Best of luck to nygh.

[rains]

You have mistaken what I said. I am not saying that the ‘lesser chance’ child got the offer by luck. What I meant was, luck comes into play, whether we like it or not. Even in exams, some are luckier than others. Even at psle marking, some are luckier than others. I won’t dismiss the possibility of the child you mentioned as being lucky to get a more lenient oral examiner or marker. And for that particular child, if it’s truly bcos she did very well and NYGH thought she would have got in via her T-score anyway, and thus offered the other child the CO, then I will see NYGH as being noble - choosing the one unlikely to do as well over the one ‘confirmed will do well’.


As educators, NYGH would have been able to assess if the girls are consistent performers who are likely to excel at psle. Glitches or hiccups are rare. And even if they do happen, these children will still rise above their odds eventually, so I believe NYGH made that decision not to push away the child, but to give the chance to the more unlikely candidate.

I honestly don’t think NYGH is hard up for academically excellent girls. My gut feel is schools find sports talents more rare than academic children, so perhaps when it comes to DSA academic, they might not be looking at the top of the top all the time. I am sure there is no lack of such girls in the school though, so by that, NYGH was true to what she said when she said she wanted ‘diversity’.

I am not sure why you are so upset with NYGH bcos the child was unsuccessful at DSA application. Just bcos it’s unfair and untransparent and you feel that the girl should get in bcos of her excellent track record? The fact that she was invited for the burger session tells me that NYGH viewed her as a hopeful and that says a lot about her chance to get into the school whether it’s via DSA or T-score. Rather than feeling bitter that NYGH didn’t recognise her as a 千里马, why not take it in her stride that rejection can happen to anybody, even the best? And perhaps NYGH is not the best school for her. I for one would have persuaded my kid to choose another school if given another chance.

It’s great that the child is so driven, but she should not feel entitled to have everything she desires.