Differentiating Childcare, Preschools & Enrichment Programs

[ganchong]

Hee…Hee…I stay around commonwealth area but i have looked at Schoolhouse by the bay 1 year back and I like the school very much as it has well rounded programme in the afternoon. I went back the second time to visit when I think I want a full day arrangement for my son. The only thing is the "logistics" and the ERP charges in the mornings. (Take ERP to Katong has to pass 2 ERP gantries, work out to be at least extra $80 per mth)


If I have made up my mind to send him for full day, my alternatives are Kinderland@SP (confident that they make sure the children readlly "study" and they are not air-con) or MMI at west coast (but yet to visit the place)

Have you heard about Agape little uni at NUS guild house?

Personally, do you think full day programme is more beneficial than just 3 hourly programme? Do you know that whether children go to full day programme are more prepared emotionally and academically to go to Pri 1?

Do you have any feedback about St James Church kindergarten? The only thing I am concerned is that they have quite high teacher student ratio. 1 teacher to 30 students.

[caroline3sg]

Hi ganchong

Kinderland programme is very good. Not only enrichment programmes like music/movement, speech/drama, they also bring the children to 2 excusions in a quarter. In addition, they have writing to reinforce recognition of chinese characters. The only disadvantage is the food.

Comparing St. James with Kinderland, it loses out. St. James is only good at their concert and their character development where the pastor shares with the children. Academically wise, it is not enough as preparation to P1. The sch gives out a lot of application forms for outside enrichment programmes run by private organisation. The programmes are conducted in the sch compound in the afternoon.

[chixchix]

Hii my boys are in k1 and N1. The centre supervisor is really very nice ,,In fact I am one of those parents who regularly give feedbacks on what I am not happy about ..and they always quickly improve on things.


My older son joined MMI West Coast when he was 2 years olde, Initially he was those who just sat in a corner and dint want to play..but his teachers were really good.. he bacame independant and smarter.. now also ..

as for N1 ,the teacher's keep changing. I am not so happy with the current teacher as my younger boy who refuses to join in the activites... the teacher, Ms Kim,,feels that kids like that should be left alone...

its better you go down to the centre and take a look. In fact last year I attended the MMI graduation ceremony ..wow it was very standard and nice..

[ganchong]

caroline3sg:

Hi ganchong

Kinderland programme is very good. Not only enrichment programmes like music/movement, speech/drama, they also bring the children to 2 excusions in a quarter. In addition, they have writing to reinforce recognition of chinese characters. The only disadvantage is the food.

Comparing St. James with Kinderland, it loses out. St. James is only good at their concert and their character development where the pastor shares with the children. Academically wise, it is not enough as preparation to P1. The sch gives out a lot of application forms for outside enrichment programmes run by private organisation. The programmes are conducted in the sch compound in the afternoon.

Hi,

Thank you for your valuable comments.

Do you send your child to St James?
Most of the graduates' parents think St James is very good however, my galfriend who has a daughter in St James now, told me a few number of parents' there feel that it do not meet up to their expectations eg. \"auntie\" teacher, academically not strong, chinese standard drop...etc
I guess St James is more value for money as you get \"colourful\" programmes for the children as compared with other kindergartens. They also do have an impressive school facilities for a church kindergarten.

Or do you send your child to Kinderland?
I knew a boy who graduated from Kinderland, he has no problem handling P1 schoolworks, in fact, he tell his mother that the pace in school is slow as he know most of the things that teachers teach. (BTW, he do not go to a SAP school but standard of the school is not bad)
Though I am more confident the Kinderland's programmes will prepare the child academically but do they also instills a love for learning rather than just \"feeding\" knowledge?

I feel that a good pre-school programme, beside ensuring adequate academic drillings, it should also evoke curosity and motivation in a child to learn.

For me, I thought I have found the best pre-school for my child and enrolled him in Montessori For Children at newton but after all these months since he joined at the beginnings of the year, he always said no fun at all. This school, no doubt, is very good in discipline but there is no field trips for children attending regular days. I guess my son, being very sociable and adventurous, find it boring just to do the montessori works everyday and routine circle time. My hubby and me can really feel that he do not enjoy it though teachers' feedbacks that he is progressing well in class.

That is why, I am so stressed up as I must be sure about the next school he is going to shall have a good balance of academic and experiential learnings.

Hope you could share more of your experiences. Thank you.

[ChiefKiasu]

caroline3sg:

Hi ganchong

Kinderland programme is very good. Not only enrichment programmes like music/movement, speech/drama, they also bring the children to 2 excusions in a quarter. In addition, they have writing to reinforce recognition of chinese characters. The only disadvantage is the food.

Comparing St. James with Kinderland, it loses out. St. James is only good at their concert and their character development where the pastor shares with the children. Academically wise, it is not enough as preparation to P1. The sch gives out a lot of application forms for outside enrichment programmes run by private organisation. The programmes are conducted in the sch compound in the afternoon.

Hi caroline3sg, Kinderland's food is bad?? Why do you say so? My daughter is currently in Kinderland Katong. I wasn't aware the food is not good. See http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/content/recipients-healthy-eating-awards. It says 4 Kinderland centres were awarded the 2007 Healthy Eating award.

[ganchong]

chixchix:

Hii my boys are in k1 and N1. The centre supervisor is really very nice ,,In fact I am one of those parents who regularly give feedbacks on what I am not happy about ..and they always quickly improve on things.


My older son joined MMI West Coast when he was 2 years olde, Initially he was those who just sat in a corner and dint want to play..but his teachers were really good.. he bacame independant and smarter.. now also ..

as for N1 ,the teacher's keep changing. I am not so happy with the current teacher as my younger boy who refuses to join in the activites... the teacher, Ms Kim,,feels that kids like that should be left alone...

its better you go down to the centre and take a look. In fact last year I attended the MMI graduation ceremony ..wow it was very standard and nice..

Hi, thank you for the info.

Do this centre ensure that the children can communicate in mandarin?
Are the Chinese teachers passionate about teaching Chinese? I feel it is hard to find CCC or pre-school have passionate Chinese teachers. Most of them look \"bored\" The one at Claymore is like that. When I ask her how she teach the children since most of the children are weak in Chinese and are not interested in Chinese, she looked puzzle and she replied that she will communicate in English.

Are your children in full day programmes, do you find that they learn more as compared to half day programme? Do you send your child to other enrichments too?

[caroline3sg]

ganchong

My son was in Kinderland Childcare (next to Lot 1 in CCK). CCK has 2 Kinderland, one is kindergarten and one is child care, both at different locations but under same management.

After 2 yrs we withdrew him due to keep falling sick. Then switched to St. James. And that was my comparison between the 2. My boy learnt a lot of things from Kinderland but learns very little from St. James. When he goes for excursion brought by St. James, he is sure to have bruises or abrasions but he is very fine with Kinderland, and given the no. of outings plus park visits. He was also more disciplined with Kinderland. Kinderland is more tolerant of active children and they have a way to ‘control’ them. While St. James leave them on their own, perhaps it is just kindergarten (for teaching academics but not behavioural aspects).

You don’t have to worry about Kinderland feeding information. I can see that the children enjoys what they learnt. They learn through play, excusions, art/craft, activities. It is the kindergarten that is forcing information onto the children.

Regarding calling of teachers as aunties in St. James, I don’t know why, never bother to go and find out. I recently met my son’s Maths teacher. She doesn’t know 1/4 of circle is called quarter circle. She asked me 3 times if this is called as such in primary school. She called it a section. Any fraction is a section.

For Montessori, I don’t have personal experience.


chiefkiasu
Don’t believe the food they pasted on the wall would be the food the children eat. Try popping in during lunch time and see. You would be shocked.

[chixchix]

Hii Ganchong


My younger N1 boy is going 3x a week..as I dont want to stress him too much ..but the older one when he reached K1 ,,the teacher told me to put him into full day everyday....however ,in the afternoons ,they have Yoga, Speech & Drama,,,story times...

Mandarin : The teacher is from China and seems really patient and sweet,, but I cant comment much cos I am not a Chinese myself. So i dont really know what she's teaching.

The school does hold field trips,they have photo taking session,hhmmm what else..food is ok ..i think its not bad.main thing is that the staff there are the type that welcome parents feedback and work towards it.

[MerlionInGermany]

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Hi,

What's the difference between childcare ceters, preschools, and kindergartens? Are they generally the same thing known by different names?

I read the MCYS regulates the childcare centers and MOE regulates the kindergartens. But one can also attend kindergarten in a childcare center?

So for example, for a 4-yr-old who is in Nursery in a childcare center, and a 4-yr-old who is in Nursery in a preschool....do they do the same things?

Thanks.

[jedamum]

Hi MerlionInGermany,


This is my take on ‘preschool/preprimary’ education in singapore…

there are basically 5 types of ‘preschool education’.
1. Childcare
2. Church/Religion-based (SOKA etc) Kindergarten
3. PCF kindergarten
4. Privatised kindergarten (eg Montessori)
5. Enrichment
6. Playgroup (for younger kids mainly toddlers)

within category 1-4 (category 5 they may term it differently and sometimes the age grouping is bigger eg 4-6 years old one grouping) may have nursery and kindergarten as these refer to the level the different age group of kids are banded. as for the age grouping, they are generally as follows…

3 yrs old (min is 30mths) - pre-nursery or N1
4yo - N2 (for schools with PreN or N1) or N (for schools without PreN or N1)
5yo - K1
6yo - K2

as for whether they do the same thing, different centers may have different curriculum although they may follow the same ‘syllabus outline’ as there are no ‘standardised’ preschool curriculum in singapore.