* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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blurblob11:
While what you say is true, bear in mind the students from these neighbourhood sec schools comprise of the top students there. It's like a gathering of talents from 80+ schools. Imagine most of them getting 7-8 distinctions in O level, the students there are ppl with distinctions
I do not think this information plays an important role in this discussion as students are admitted into JCs based on merits. There are many who thrive in secondary schools despite getting poor PSLE results.mindays:
Affliated Schools to SAJC (Cutoff points for express year 2016)
1. Anglican High School: (240)
2. Christ Church Secondary School (199)
3. Kuo Chuan Presbyterian Secondary School (232/200(affliation))
4. Presbyterian High School (233)
5. St. Andrew's Secondary School (245/189 (affliation))
6. St. Hilda's Secondary School (229/188 (affliation))
7. St. Margaret's Secondary School (244/200 (affliation))
Affliated Schools to NYJC (Cutoff points for express year 2016)
1. Chung Cheng High School (Main): (239)
2. Chung Cheng High School (Yishun): (237)
This will give us a rough guide of the students who may make up largely of the JCs. And notice the affliation portion for SAJC, because a majority of students who enter the sec school, enter via that route.
For NYJC, students are from more than 80 different secondary schools. Thus there are many students from neighbourhood secondary schools in NYJC too. -
blurblob11:
Yes, SA is a vibrant sch and it's colourful toohellohahaha:
Hi everyone, anyone has a comparison between NYJC and SAJC? In terms of acads, culture, teachers, results, system etc thanks
JMHO, SAJC has a more vibrant culture suitable for the more independent learners. The students are generally more sporty and are being treated like young adults. The environment is also less competitive and stressful.
As for NYJC, the principal displays a very chinese fatherly figure and hence is more protective of its students. They are treated more like secondary school kids whereby there will be many tests conducted throughout the year to make sure they study consistently. Less emphasis is placed on its CCA. Thus they are deemed more studious and dependent. A friend's kid in NYJC was shocked that his friends' parents were robed in to purchase their school uniform, at his age.
If you prefer your DC to be more independent and all-rounded at this age, SAJC will be a better choice. But if you prefer your DC to be well guided like in secondary school and academic result is all that matters, NYJC will be the one.
NY also encourages independency such as the organization of class events, CIPs, proposals. It is not really true that they are spoon fed. School uniform wise, I don't see a problem. I think it could be out of his parents' love and concern for their child. CCA wise, you can check out their sports achievement as a reference. It shows how much effort they put in to attain such results. I heard that NY has many tests too! You're right. -
MyMelborne:
It is very normal for students to feel tortured in JC because it is meant to be. The transition from sec schs to JCs is indeed great. As such, many students have difficulties in their studies. The key to success is consistency. You got to be consistent in your studies and not do last minute revision.
My opinion is that for a mission school such as sajc, the emphasis is usually on balancing character building with academics; whereas in a school with more traditional chinese culture such as nyjc, there will be more emphasis on academic performance and jc's reputation (é¢å). An nyjc student I know thinks that the teachers are generally strict and fierce and the constant tests are wearing out her enthusiasm in studies & so she does not think that she's being treated like a gem. She thinks there is no life in nyjc and she is being tortured to glorify the jc with excellent A level results & not empowered to learn at her own schedule though she is an independent 5-pointer. It has to depend on what the parents and pupils value in the jc.mindays:
As for culture, SA has a more Anglican culture where there will be chapels. It has a Christian environment. In NY, there is no religious culture. In SA, I heard that the students play hard. You may want to take a look at their school compound and observe. Notice the field. I would say the students are warm and friendly. In NY, students are very amicable. NY focuses more on the culture of care. The students in NY are treated like a gem. Especially the principal puts emphasis on the students' welfare and well-being. I would say, both JCs have good culture.
While I agree with some parts of your statement, I don't think it generalizes the entire NYJCians there. On the contrary, the majority feels that there is life in NYJC and most of them enjoy their JC days there. -
Nestled in a corner of Serangoon, Nanyang Junior College (NYJC) has been quietly growing in popularity. More of its graduates are making it to university, and students are attracted to its flexible curriculum, and principal and staff who listen.
The school's cut-off score now places it among the top JCs offering the A-level programme.
NYJC principal Kwek Hiok Chuang said his staff have worked hard to build a culture of care.
First-year NYJC student Lim Zong Hui, 16, who scored four points at the O levels, was won over by the school after attending its open house.
Reference: http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/ ... popularity
So from this article, we can tell that there is a fair share of NYJCians who got less than 6 points for L1R5. Impressive! -
mindays:
The mentioned nyjc student is a consistent and independent worker. She feels that her mental study timetable and plans for her cca are constantly disrupted by the strings of tests. There are times when she feels she needs to catch up with some subjects but are unable to do so as she has to prepare for an upcoming test. The tests results will be included in JC1 promo exam. Also, the frequency of tests are lopsided. Some subjects have many more tests than others and she tends to neglect those with fewer tests. Hence her frustrations. Those days that the majority of nyjcians enjoy may be a thing of the past. The current batch of pupils are the pioneers of a record cop. The leaders and teachers may have set a different strategy now. Having said that, surely there are parents who will embrace or dislike such a system. I am just sharing what I heard and this may not be representative of the majority's view.
It is very normal for students to feel tortured in JC because it is meant to be. The transition from sec schs to JCs is indeed great. As such, many students have difficulties in their studies. The key to success is consistency. You got to be consistent in your studies and not do last minute revision.MyMelborne:
My opinion is that for a mission school such as sajc, the emphasis is usually on balancing character building with academics; whereas in a school with more traditional chinese culture such as nyjc, there will be more emphasis on academic performance and jc's reputation (é¢å). An nyjc student I know thinks that the teachers are generally strict and fierce and the constant tests are wearing out her enthusiasm in studies & so she does not think that she's being treated like a gem. She thinks there is no life in nyjc and she is being tortured to glorify the jc with excellent A level results & not empowered to learn at her own schedule though she is an independent 5-pointer. It has to depend on what the parents and pupils value in the jc.
While I agree with some parts of your statement, I don't think it generalizes the entire NYJCians there. On the contrary, the majority feels that there is life in NYJC and most of them enjoy their JC days there.
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mindays:
From what I observed, Open House only showcase the best side of a school but once your DC is in it, it could be a totally different experience.Nestled in a corner of Serangoon, Nanyang Junior College (NYJC) has been quietly growing in popularity. More of its graduates are making it to university, and students are attracted to its flexible curriculum, and principal and staff who listen.
The school's cut-off score now places it among the top JCs offering the A-level programme.
NYJC principal Kwek Hiok Chuang said his staff have worked hard to build a culture of care.
First-year NYJC student Lim Zong Hui, 16, who scored four points at the O levels, was won over by the school after attending its open house.
Reference: http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/ ... popularity
So from this article, we can tell that there is a fair share of NYJCians who got less than 6 points for L1R5.
Impressive!
I am a little concerned over the the referenced article which says:
(From NYJC) About nine in 10 of its graduates go on to study at a local university.
(From MJC) Over nine in 10 of its students go on to study at a local university.
But the COPs of NYJC vs MJC were 7/8 vs 9/9 respectively for the 2015 graduates; NYJC being better in COP but their results are equally good. -
KTKS:
Do not forget that about 10-20% of MJC cohort retains yearly. MJC is well-know to be a school that has the highest retain rate. So 9 students out of 10 from MJC made it to local University, but 1-2 out of 10 took 3 years to do it. Do you not think the extra year of JC curriculum play a role for that \"on-par\" results?
From what I observed, Open House only showcase the best side of a school but once your DC is in it, it could be a totally different experience.mindays:
Nestled in a corner of Serangoon, Nanyang Junior College (NYJC) has been quietly growing in popularity. More of its graduates are making it to university, and students are attracted to its flexible curriculum, and principal and staff who listen.
The school's cut-off score now places it among the top JCs offering the A-level programme.
NYJC principal Kwek Hiok Chuang said his staff have worked hard to build a culture of care.
First-year NYJC student Lim Zong Hui, 16, who scored four points at the O levels, was won over by the school after attending its open house.
Reference: http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/ ... popularity
So from this article, we can tell that there is a fair share of NYJCians who got less than 6 points for L1R5.
Impressive!
I am a little concerned over the the referenced article which says:
(From NYJC) About nine in 10 of its graduates go on to study at a local university.
(From MJC) Over nine in 10 of its students go on to study at a local university.
But the COPs of NYJC vs MJC were 7/8 vs 9/9 respectively for the 2015 graduates; NYJC being better in COP but their results are equally good.
Since 9 out of 10 is kind of vague, we do not know the actual discrete numbers. However, I must agree with you that the results are pretty good
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MyMelborne:
The mentioned nyjc student is a consistent and independent worker. She feels that her mental study timetable and plans for her cca are constantly disrupted by the strings of tests. There are times when she feels she needs to catch up with some subjects but are unable to do so as she has to prepare for an upcoming test. The tests results will be included in JC1 promo exam. Also, the frequency of tests are lopsided. Some subjects have many more tests than others and she tends to neglect those with fewer tests. Hence her frustrations. Those days that the majority of nyjcians enjoy may be a thing of the past. The current batch of pupils are the pioneers of a record cop. The leaders and teachers may have set a different strategy now. Having said that, surely there are parents who will embrace or dislike such a system. I am just sharing what I heard and this may not be representative of the majority's view.
It is very normal for students to feel tortured in JC because it is meant to be. The transition from sec schs to JCs is indeed great. As such, many students have difficulties in their studies. The key to success is consistency. You got to be consistent in your studies and not do last minute revision.mindays:
[quote=\"MyMelborne\"]
My opinion is that for a mission school such as sajc, the emphasis is usually on balancing character building with academics; whereas in a school with more traditional chinese culture such as nyjc, there will be more emphasis on academic performance and jc's reputation (é¢å). An nyjc student I know thinks that the teachers are generally strict and fierce and the constant tests are wearing out her enthusiasm in studies & so she does not think that she's being treated like a gem. She thinks there is no life in nyjc and she is being tortured to glorify the jc with excellent A level results & not empowered to learn at her own schedule though she is an independent 5-pointer. It has to depend on what the parents and pupils value in the jc.
While I agree with some parts of your statement, I don't think it generalizes the entire NYJCians there. On the contrary, the majority feels that there is life in NYJC and most of them enjoy their JC days there.[/quote]Is she a current or an ex-student? I wish her all the best in her endeavour of education in Singapore.
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mindays:
I do not have any idea that retention rate for any JC can be above 20%. :yikes: It is not allowed by MOE.
Do not forget that about 20-30% of MJC cohort retains yearly. MJC is well-know to be a school that has the highest retain rate. So 9 students out of 10 from MJC made it to local University, but 2-3 out of 10 took 3 years to do it. Do you not think the extra year of JC curriculum play a role for that \"on-par\" results?KTKS:
From what I observed, Open House only showcase the best side of a school but once your DC is in it, it could be a totally different experience.
I am a little concerned over the the referenced article which says:
(From NYJC) About nine in 10 of its graduates go on to study at a local university.
(From MJC) Over nine in 10 of its students go on to study at a local university.
But the COPs of NYJC vs MJC were 7/8 vs 9/9 respectively for the 2015 graduates; NYJC being better in COP but their results are equally good.
Since 9 out of 10 is kind of vague, we do not know the actual discrete numbers. However, I must agree with you that the results are pretty good
Please show the link where you get this figure from.
I remember there was an MOE release report about retention rate of JC pupils and there were 2 unnamed JCs that had consistently 15% retention rate for 3 years and that was the highest possible. It can't be 2-3 out of 10 took 3 years to complete his A level and eligible for local university in any JC. The 2 JCs may not be referring to MJC too as it wasn't officially announced. It may be referring to NYJC or others, unless we have concrete proof. :nailbite: -
Further to my post above, this is the link whereby the retention rate for year 1 at junior college for Oct 2012 was published by moe:
https://www.moe.gov.sg/media/parliament ... e-in-j.php
I copied the above link from another KSP thread. However this link has been removed from moe website but a forummer has copied its contents partially to read as follows:
Our junior colleges (JCs) set their own examinations based on their respective student profiles, and develop their own criteria for progression to the second year of their JC course. Hence, there is no standardised measurement of pass/fail across the JCs in the first year promotional examinations.
Over the last three years, approximately 6% of first year JC students in each cohort failed some subjects in their promotional exams and were retained.
The two JCs with the highest retention rates at JC1 averaged around 15% over the past three years.
Although it is dated Oct 2012, I doubt the retention rate could change to 20-30% in 2013/2014 (for 2015 A levels batch) as what mindays had claimed.
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