Networking Group - JCs General
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iFirefly:
I had assumed that the ones at the top would definitely be the IP students, but the impression the ex-JC tutor gave me was that there was no distinct difference between the top IP and JAE performers. In fact, I know of another current IPJC lecturer/tutor who feels that the standard of IPJCs is not so good anymore bcos of IP students.
Psst rains.. You forgot to ask your friend who are usually the ones at the Top of the cohort at A levels in terms of results. The answer might well be, the IP students too.. :evil:
Both of them feel that PSLE results are not a good indicator of whether the children would perform well at A levels while O levels results seem to be a more accurate or reliable indicator.
Quite surprising to me actually, bcos I always thought that O levels should be a piece of cake for those who had done exceptionally well at PSLE and so they deserve to bypass the O levels track but it seems perhaps O levels is a better yardstick to decide who should get a seat in those JCs. -
rains:
Err...sorry..not wanting a debate but the statement dont quite make sense...if IPJC is not so good anymore bcos of IP students then I dont understand why RI/HCI with majority of their students from IP are way ahead of other JCs in thier A level performance...dont tell me its stellar performance is bcos of JAE students?
In fact, I know of another current IPJC lecturer/tutor who feels that the standard of IPJCs is not so good anymore bcos of IP students.iFirefly:
Psst rains.. You forgot to ask your friend who are usually the ones at the Top of the cohort at A levels in terms of results. The answer might well be, the IP students too.. :evil:
To me...for those JAE students that can gain admission to for example RI/HCI is of the same standard as IP students and their PSLE point are probably not far from RI/HCI cutoff points too or some are simply late boomers. Not all IP students are brilliant and perform as expected of them.
The whole system must be something wrong if the top 10% of the whole cohort that went to IP is not performing as good as the JAE students and affecting the standard of the IPJC. If that is true I doubt the gov will set up another IPJC like Eunoia and increase the number of school offering IP. -
UBKmom:
Err...sorry..not wanting a debate but the statement dont quite make sense...if IPJC is not so good anymore bcos of IP students then I dont understand why RI/HCI with majority of their students from IP are way ahead of other JCs in thier A level performance...dont tell me its stellar performance is bcos of JAE students?
In fact, I know of another current IPJC lecturer/tutor who feels that the standard of IPJCs is not so good anymore bcos of IP students.rains:
[quote=\"iFirefly\"]
Psst rains.. You forgot to ask your friend who are usually the ones at the Top of the cohort at A levels in terms of results. The answer might well be, the IP students too.. :evil:
To me...for those JAE students that can gain admission to for example RI/HCI is of the same standard as IP students and their PSLE point are probably not far from RI/HCI cutoff points too or some are simply late boomers. Not all IP students are brilliant and perform as expected of them.
The whole system must be something wrong if the top 10% of the whole cohort that went to IP is not performing as good as the JAE students and affecting the standard of the IPJC. If that is true I doubt the gov will set up another IPJC like Eunoia and increase the number of school offering IP.[/quote]I think the question needs to be put into context.
My actual question was:
Compared to (that particular) IPJC in the past, is it better now (in terms of results) since the majority of the students are from its affiliated IP secondary school?
She was comparing the current JC with itself prior to having IP. I saw it fitting to ask the question as she has been teaching in the same JC even before IP was introduced and would give a comparatively objective opinion.
Note that we were only discussing the academic facet of education and nothing else.
I am sure compared to the other JCs, these IPJCs are definitely stellar, just that perhaps they are not as 'good' as they used to be in terms of academic results (and how the lecturers view the results may be different from how outsiders view them), but I see it as an educational evolution that is necessary to include holistic development. We used to be totally focused on the academics but now we are not so, compared to many years ago. -
My thoughts…the JAE students may perform better initiailly as they were "trained for taking exams" since sec 1. I do believe the IP students will catch up and may even surpass them later as they had a more holistic education that stressed all aspect of their skills such as creativity and thinking out of the box. The JAE students may not have the luxury of doing these in more detail as the school would be hardpressed to drilled them for the Os.
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IP students may not have the experience of taking O levels, but in general they have to maintain a certain level of academic standard in their internal exams (to stay in the IP track). This also explains why many IP students continue tuition even though there is no O levels.
Hence, when entering JC, their background knowledge will usually be as strong as (or perhaps even stronger due to extra syllabus) as those in the O level track. -
jtoh:
1. About 6 hours.ParkYuni:
DD will start her JC journey next month.
Any advice are welcome. TIA!!
2. Yes. But there are so many other activities going on it's not easy to keep up.
3. Performing very well in O levels does not mean you'll do well in A levels. But if you work very hard, I don't see why not?
4. If your child is entering JC this year, the ten year series may not be so relevant because of the change in syllabus?
**may i know what are the jc subjects that hv syllabus changes?**
5. Take the cue from your child. Tuition isn't necessary. Depending on the JC, some do have pull out classes for those who aren't performing that well and need the extra coaching. Those are useful. -
jtoh:
It's tempting to over-generalise the IP population and the JAE population. They are all individuals and some do better than others. One thing the schools do point out though is that for students who don't do well, it is more than likely to do with other circumstances, such as emotional issues, or problems at home or elsewhere etc leading to them not being able to perform to the best of their ability in the A levels.
:goodpost: totally agree!
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geliagogogo:
Look on the SEAB website. It will indicate if their is a new syllabus and when it's being introduced.**may i know what are the jc subjects that hv syllabus changes?**
http://www.seab.gov.sg/pages/nationalExaminations/GAL/School_Candidates/syllabus.asp -
Hi, regarding PW at JC1.
1) What is the usual timeframe ( start, end, presentation, result announcement dates )
2) What are the possible PW topics ( past examples )
3) How many students per group?
4) Is the grading based on group or individual performance?
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slmkhoo:
:thankyou:
Look on the SEAB website. It will indicate if their is a new syllabus and when it's being introduced.geliagogogo:
**may i know what are the jc subjects that hv syllabus changes?**
http://www.seab.gov.sg/pages/nationalExaminations/GAL/School_Candidates/syllabus.asp
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