DSA 2017
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jetsetter:
If 258 and still cannot get into one of the IP schools, then MUST see MP le!!zoolet:
Does DSA effective? Student A has no special talent, can't DSA in any IP school depend on PSLE results. He/she managed to score 258 (so-called borderline cut-off for top IP school). But the new rule stated 20% of the vacancy to keep for DSA talent, thus Student A can't get into the IP school as all vacancy filled up since there are other students with better scores. Does that mean Student A will be deprived from receiving IP training totally since all vacancy of IP school has filled up?
They aren't capping it at 20% right, zoolet? Govt, Govt-aided, Indept sec schools can accept up to 20% now. Indept IP schools have the discretion to fix their own intake % all the while.
If he manages to score 258, then go thru S1 posting and get into the queue. There'll still be enough vacancies for S1 posting applicants. The qn is whether he meets the COP or not only. If he does not, then system moves to his Choice #2...
Why must he be fixated on Choice #1? There are other IP schools his score can meet. He won't be deprived of receiving IP training in the whole of Singapore. That's impossible as the bell curve is manipulated such that there won't be a surplus of IP qualifiers?
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Nebbermind:
If 258 and still cannot get into one of the IP schools, then MUST see MP le!![/quote]Some people only want TOP school(s), not any IP schools.jetsetter:
[quote=\"zoolet\"]Does DSA effective? Student A has no special talent, can't DSA in any IP school depend on PSLE results. He/she managed to score 258 (so-called borderline cut-off for top IP school). But the new rule stated 20% of the vacancy to keep for DSA talent, thus Student A can't get into the IP school as all vacancy filled up since there are other students with better scores. Does that mean Student A will be deprived from receiving IP training totally since all vacancy of IP school has filled up?
They aren't capping it at 20% right, zoolet? Govt, Govt-aided, Indept sec schools can accept up to 20% now. Indept IP schools have the discretion to fix their own intake % all the while.
If he manages to score 258, then go thru S1 posting and get into the queue. There'll still be enough vacancies for S1 posting applicants. The qn is whether he meets the COP or not only. If he does not, then system moves to his Choice #2...
Why must he be fixated on Choice #1? There are other IP schools his score can meet. He won't be deprived of receiving IP training in the whole of Singapore. That's impossible as the bell curve is manipulated such that there won't be a surplus of IP qualifiers?
In this case, it's the fixation that needs to be addressed and treated, not the policy. -
pirate:
Why not do it now? Scrap off all DSA. There is no such things as DSA in the past.Let the children get used to it now. Hard work is needed. How Joseph did it through hard work and delicate parents that understand what their son's ultimate goal and sent him to the best school in the world to achieve this goal. As Mary Colin did mention in her interview, there is no such thing as talent. It's all about hard work. If you believe your children are capable, put them to the best school in the world. Why in Singapore? We have yet to be able to provide good facility to develop excellent athletes and musicians/ artists.zoolet:
(Hopefully, parents will not go and complain about the entry level for local university and they re-look and introduce something like DSA. If start with another type of DSA, this will be very crappy and make our university look so pale off compared to top university in the world.)
Top universities look at more than just academics in their admission. They certainly don't have \"cut-off points\". Might as well get used to it earlier. -
zoolet:
Why not do it now? Scrap off all DSA. There is no such things as DSA in the past.Let the children get used to it now. Hard work is needed. How Joseph did it through hard work and delicate parents that understand what their son's ultimate goal and sent him to the best school in the world to achieve this goal. As Mary Colin did mention in her interview, there is no such thing as talent. It's all about hard work. If you believe your children are capable, put them to the best school in the world. Why in Singapore? We have yet to be able to provide good facility to develop excellent athletes and musicians/ artists.[/quote]Schooling...did he have the best coach? Or trained in the best pool?pirate:
[quote=\"zoolet\"](Hopefully, parents will not go and complain about the entry level for local university and they re-look and introduce something like DSA. If start with another type of DSA, this will be very crappy and make our university look so pale off compared to top university in the world.)
Top universities look at more than just academics in their admission. They certainly don't have \"cut-off points\". Might as well get used to it earlier. -
zoolet:
Why not do it now? Scrap off all DSA. There is no such things as DSA in the past.Let the children get used to it now. Hard work is needed. How Joseph did it through hard work and delicate parents that understand what their son's ultimate goal and sent him to the best school in the world to achieve this goal. As Mary Colin did mention in her interview, there is no such thing as talent. It's all about hard work. If you believe your children are capable, put them to the best school in the world. Why in Singapore? We have yet to be able to provide good facility to develop excellent athletes and musicians/ artists.
What makes you think that DSA is not hard work? -
I recently found out that of the 16,000+ primary school children who applied for DSA last year, only 2000+ were successful.
I was rather shocked by this figure but when I told my best friend about it, she didn’t quite believe me and said the figure was not possible.
I think it would be useful to make the success rate for DSA applications public and transparent so that parents and students have a rough idea on their chances. No point raising the expectations and then what they get is disappointment after an agonising wait, not to mention the time and resources expended in preparing for the DSA application.
If one knows that he/ she has only 10% chance of getting to a specific school via DSA, one may think hard before giving it a shot or just spend the time and energy to prepare for PSLE. -
I always find it disturbing that people seem to think that those who did not score well in psle did not put in hard work.
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Nebbermind:
I always find it disturbing that people seem to think that those who did not score well in psle did not put in hard work.
People assume they cannot study and only play. From a perspective of a person who plays sports myself, getting into a good school team with a good coach is also crucial in doing well in it. DSA is not a backdoor into a school, but to help children academically and also reaching their full potential in their sport or art... Of course without proper regulations then it becomes a system open to abuse... -
Terryy:
But it can be pretty upsetting for some who might not do so well at O-levels. When friends in their new school ask them which sec school they were from, should they reply RI?
People assume they cannot study and only play. From a perspective of a person who plays sports myself, getting into a good school team with a good coach is also crucial in doing well in it. DSA is not a backdoor into a school, but to help children academically and also reaching their full potential in their sport or art... Of course without proper regulations then it becomes a system open to abuse... -
lee_yl:
It's the \"fixation\" on only those top few IP schools that's causing this problem.I recently found out that of the 16,000+ primary school children who applied for DSA last year, only 2000+ were successful.
I was rather shocked by this figure but when I told my best friend about it, she didn't quite believe me and said the figure was not possible.
I think it would be useful to make the success rate for DSA applications public and transparent so that parents and students have a rough idea on their chances. No point raising the expectations and then what they get is disappointment after an agonising wait, not to mention the time and resources expended in preparing for the DSA application.
If one knows that he/ she has only 10% chance of getting to a specific school via DSA, one may think hard before giving it a shot or just spend the time and energy to prepare for PSLE.
No doubt 20% DSA places sounds promising like coast said, but tbh, how many of us want to go thru the hassle of preparing for DSA to those mid-tier sec schools? How many want our kids to pursue ALP, LLP, food sciences for 4 years?
I think NCM wants to promote those mid-tier sec schools like St Theresa. In his speech, he cited the convent's hockey route as an e.g. MOE must send a message to all mid-achieving hopefuls that mid-tier schools are easier to get in. Maybe a lot of ordinary students and parents lack confidence, cos everyone here in KSP kept scaring people that the candidate needs to have Platinum medals, must be \"numbered\" or \"seeded\" in the national tally, etc. Who dares to give it a stab leh?
Hopefully when this exercise goes online in 2019, things will improve. With greater convenience, many will be enticed to log on to apply.
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