* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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mindays:
After reading this, I must say you are totally despicable. The argument you had was with stetan, not me on whether gyms are standard equipment in all JCs.
10. I didn't say that All JCs in singapore MUST have a gym because it is standard MOE facility. I said that having a gym in a JC is not something to be exaggerated about, because it is a norm and all JCs have a gym, to the fact that it can become a \"standard\" facility. EthanEthan tried to show how great EJC was because they had a gym and he even shared that the size was about 3 times of a basketball court. I defended by saying it was only about 1-2 size of a basketball court, because I went to the open house in 2017 and I saw it with my eyes. It wasn't as big as what EthanEthan had suggested. I then said that his posts were overstated comments and were meant to deceive the people. What exactly was his intention to overstate a post? The principle of him trying to delude the people there was wrong, but yet people felt that the gym was a trivial issue and I must agree with that. I was not against the gym, I was against his principle and motive.
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I only brought up the size of the gym and later explain why I thought it was big ( original post here https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=85535&start=460) . So now you are trying to stain my name with this ?
I hope you are not in person how are you behaving in this forum -
mindays:
Of course, now when you have the benefit of hindsight and after the backlash by forum-goers that your information are half-truths, you can now try to \"correct\" your comments
You should read things into context.
1. I didn't link that having a high attendance rate of open house = top jC. I merely gave my observations when I visited their open houses and I didn't conclude that NYJC was a top JC just because of the overwhelming people who went for their open house.
2. I didn't conclude that NYJC students better than EJC, TJC. However, some of the people here feel that IP students were better than top O level graduates, mainly because of the stellar PSLE results as a reason. So I went on to give an alternate perspective that not ALL IP students are better than O level graduates. On the contrary, O level graduates may end up doing much better than IP Students. So, I went on to justify how a non-IP school can be equitable to an IP school and no one is more superior than the other. You misinterpreted that my view was \"NYJC students better than EJC, TJC\"
3. NYJC results were indeed better than TJC, some of the forumers here stated that TJC's UAS for 2015 A level results were 80, while NYJC's was 81. In fact, the eligibility of TJCians to local U for the 2015 A level results was 96.2%, compared to NYJC's 100%. (bear in mind I say the eligibility and not that they are accepted into the courses. Read the MOE's definition of eligibility to local U). When the 2016 A level results were released, MyMelborne (sorry for dragging you in) acknowledged the hedging I used when stating results. In conclusion, many individual results are difficult to be sourced for, thus, it is not meaningful to compare.
4. Since when did I say that NYJC results is better than DHS? I said \"comparable\" and I did not give a final ultimatum. I had my reasons for saying so, and that was based on 2015's A level results (before the release of 2016's). Some forumners here mentioned that DHS's 3H2 distinctions were 39.5% (https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=85620&start=360), compared to NYJC's 30+% then (but when further calculated based on the improvement of 14% to 38.8% on 2016's results, 2015's results should be about 34%). So I said that these JCs had results that are comparable, but DHS is still academically better than NYJC.
5. NYJC is in fact the top non-IP JC, and I gave my reason solely because of the cut off points. That is because compared to the other non-IP JCs, it has a better intake of O level students. I DIDNT say that NYJC beat NJC in terms of results. That is defamation. I said it may be comparable to NJC's results. I then gave my analysis to justify the reason why (https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=68179&start=540). Can you please read it more carefully?
6. This was a pure honest mistake in my writing, and I have acknowledged that in the following posts. I say that the eligibility to a local U of NYJC is 100%. My mistake was the part on securing a course. I had apologise and corrected then, now move on.
7. I justified that NYJC's popularity was not solely due to the ex-principal. I justified by showing a video as a proof that he said that \"today NYJC is so strong, not because of one person\". He played a significant role, but not the entire role. Video: https://www.facebook.com/Nanyangjc/videos/1395758207104116/
8. I did not say that students of T-score 240 is the same academic standard of T-score 250. I said that there were not much difference but the primary intention was to show how non-IP JC can be as good as an IPJC.
9. I said that English is harder than Physics when we are talking about securing a distinction in national examinations. I supported my reasons by saying that the national distinction rates of Physics is a lot higher than English. I didn't link back to the observation made 30 years ago. Perhaps jetsetter could help me to explain.
10. I didn't say that All JCs in singapore MUST have a gym because it is standard MOE facility. I said that having a gym in a JC is not something to be exaggerated about, because it is a norm and all JCs have a gym, to the fact that it can become a \"standard\" facility. EthanEthan tried to show how great EJC was because they had a gym and he even shared that the size was about 3 times of a basketball court. I defended by saying it was only about 1-2 size of a basketball court, because I went to the open house in 2017 and I saw it with my eyes. It wasn't as big as what EthanEthan had suggested. I then said that his posts were overstated comments and were meant to deceive the people. What exactly was his intention to overstate a post? The principle of him trying to delude the people there was wrong, but yet people felt that the gym was a trivial issue and I must agree with that. I was not against the gym, I was against his principle and motive.
11. Cant you tell the satire I used in: EJC uses tax payer money to pay for chartered buses? Of course, EthanEthan said that the students of EJC have to pay for the buses, and I acknowledge him/her for saying that.
12. I justified that the designed time slots for EJC were at least 2 times per session for clubs and societies, opposed to the 1 time that EthanEthan has proposed. I was absolutely stunned when matters of EJC are discussed in a NYJC thread. Whatever the reasons he cited, the fact is that the engineered schedule is 2x a week.
13. When did I say that there is no difference when lessons start at 730am, 8am, 830am? His reason was that when lessons start earlier, CCAs start earlier and a student can go home earlier. However, I refuted by stating that there were CCAs that start at a fixed timing of 6pm or even 5pm that can end up as late as 830pm.
Please read the posts in greater details.
The issue is when you start posting these false comments, your intention was to clearly to mislead, hoping that nobody will find out and highlight it. Unfortunately, the kiasu forum-goers here are not as gullible as you take us for
If you forgot exactly when you have ORIGINALLY posted, I would suggest you go back and read them more in detail. So in the future, please do not accuse others of posting false information when you yourself are the Master in it. Better still if you can leave this thread since you 'claimed\" that you did not studied in NYJC or have children studying there. -
mindays:
Moderators please set in. There is always this usual infamous bunch of people that lurks around a harmless thread, posting irrelevant materials or unhelpful posts. It will be very much appreciated if this thread can benefit genuinely interested parents, be it ex or prospective. I think justice has to be served for this college and we must not let this bunch of people continue practising their sorcery.
It's disconcerting to see the to-and-fro OT arguments flooding the various threads, drowning out useful sharing of information and putting off well-meaning parents from posting relevant pointers. It's high time to move all these irrelevant posts to Rants and keep the JC threads strictly for pertinent information sharing.
I find the ganging up on a particular forummer an horrendous act of cyber bullying. As mature adults, we should be good models and not act in such a manner. While some parents may think that they are defending EJC, what will prospective students think after reading all those posts? Are the EJC parents suffering from a crisis of low self esteem and showing a lack of confidence in the new school?
On the other hand, while one may be justifiably proud of NYJC's achievements (given its steady ascent over the years), there is no need to drum up dubious statistics or cast disparaging comments about other JCs just to boost NYJC's standing.
Moderators, I hope there will be greater vigilance in responding to requests to rein in unruly and unreasonable behavior which if left unchecked will result in KSP degenerating into another juvenile forum. -
Justice_justin:
I do agree with you that the threads should be used to discuss constructive factual information. However, I do disagree with you on the following points
It's disconcerting to see the to-and-fro OT arguments flooding the various threads, drowning out useful sharing of information and putting off well-meaning parents from posting relevant pointers. It's high time to move all these irrelevant posts to Rants and keep the JC threads strictly for pertinent information sharing.
I find the ganging up on a particular forummer an horrendous act of cyber bullying. As mature adults, we should be good models and not act in such a manner. While some parents may think that they are defending EJC, what will prospective students think after reading all those posts? Are the EJC parents suffering from a crisis of low self esteem and showing a lack of confidence in the new school?
On the other hand, while one may be justifiably proud of NYJC's achievements (given its steady ascent over the years), there is no need to drum up dubious statistics or cast disparaging comments about other JCs just to boost NYJC's standing.
Moderators, I hope there will be greater vigilance in responding to requests to rein in unruly and unreasonable behavior which if left unchecked will result in KSP degenerating into another juvenile forum.
- \"ganging up\" , cyberbullying - you make it sound as though there is a premeditated group effort by people here to selectively target a person. Rather, I would say that each has responded individually to what she has seen to resonate with or disagree with. Generally, most have responded to the comments rather than the person. You do not see the same reactions when the particular forummer had made factual comments, do you? While granted that discussions can get heated as each adamantly stood by her point, the fact that if more people agree with a certain viewpoint does not make the majority cyber-bullies. Hence, I find that it is uncalled for to accuse forummers here of \"ganging up\" and being cyber bullies.
- You are making a sweeping statements by assuming all that have responded to be EJC parents. Other than a particular forummer who has stated she has a child in EJC, where did you get the information that all others are EJC parents ? For your information, my son is in a school along Bukit Timah Road , so would appreciate that you validate before making such comments since it would be unfair to the school in question
- You kind of alluded to the fact that if we response to a post that contains misinformation, we are \"suffering from a crisis of low self esteem\", So what would you suggest in this case, let the untruths propagate in the forum ? Would that make you \"highly esteemed\" ? -
thsheng99:
Firstly, I empathise that your Saturday was a boring one. On the contrary it was a family bonding day for me. Back to the main topic, whatever schools that start at 730, 8 or even 830, I feel that there is no focus in any of our arguments. What then is the point you are driving at? Is it related to the betterment of any college?
I am reading your posts with great amusement. You are missing the entire picture.mindays:
No, you still don't get it. The fact is that, clubs and societies have 2 CCAs per week. During exam periods, there may be less. During competition period, there may be more. I agree, but that's not the point. The point is, what is the designed time of these CCAs by the school? If it is 2 times/week, then just say so. Also, what do you mean by CCA can start earlier when J2s have their Chinese exams over? Do CCAs not have a fixed timing, how do they start earlier? Is your DC a J2 yet? How then do you know?
The point of contention is if school starts early, it will definitely end earlier. CCA plays a part but it only takes up a couple of days in a week on average. When school end earlier, CCA typically can start earlier. You are just trying to nitpick extreme examples which will occur under every situation but that does not mean is the norm.
Your contention is that it does not matter if school start at 730am, 8am, 830am because they will always end at the same time ??? If that premise is even remotely true, why then do you not find all the other JCs start school at 830am or even 9am.
Your responses are providing me great entertainment value on a boring Saturday afternoon. -
iFirefly:
'Dawned upon' is more formal and less frequently used than 'dawned on', but both are correct. Stetan didn't make any mistake here.
It looks like you perceive that my grammar is wrong, but according to merriam-webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dawn%20on, I am right. This is why some people only think that they are in the capacity to correct someone when he/she is at fault.mindays:
[quote=\"stetan\"]
Has it dawned upon ( not on ) you that I only wrote this comment after you wrote this message attacking another forummer ?
And I was only reflecting to you how apt the description seems to suit you.
己所不欲，勿施于人
Mindrays.. You're wrong to use 'dawned on to'. It should be 'dawned on',[/quote]And if you feel that this is a good contribution to this thread, I rest my case. Just like stetan, was it really necessary? -
Whatever it is, this thread seems to be heavily orientated on other JCs or even unrelated topics on NYJC. Until relevant inputs are discussed, I shall refrain from entertaining the bunch of haters.
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I had to show NYJC result as anti NYJC had always commented that NYJC COP drops due to non academic factors ( yes can be true ). But NYJC academic results is also a factor- its 2015 GCE A level has shown. Now, its 2016 GCE A level results has proven.
They can choose what they want to belief, is alright.
The info below is meant to share with parents and students who are Keen in NYJC.
Brief update on NYJC 2016 ‘A’ Level results.
Extract from its Term 2 Newsletter:
"We are extremely proud of our Class of 2015/16
who have done very well in the 2016 ‘A’ level ex- amination. Close to 40% of the cohort achieved
3H2 distinction with at a pass in GP and in terms
of value addedness, our college is one of the high- est among the JCs/Centralised Institute. Thank you
and all the best Class of 2015/16! "
Term 2 2017 Updates.pdf -
Crester:
Thank you for sharing the newsletter by NYJC. :congrats:I had to show NYJC result as anti NYJC had always commented that NYJC COP drops due to non academic factors ( yes can be true ). But NYJC academic results is also a factor- its 2015 GCE A level has shown. Now, its 2016 GCE A level results has proven.
They can choose what they want to belief, is alright.
The info below is meant to share with parents and students who are Keen in NYJC.
Brief update on NYJC 2016 'A' Level results.
Extract from its Term 2 Newsletter:
\"We are extremely proud of our Class of 2015/16
who have done very well in the 2016 ‘A’ level ex- amination. Close to 40% of the cohort achieved
3H2 distinction with at a pass in GP and in terms
of value addedness, our college is one of the high- est among the JCs/Centralised Institute. Thank you
and all the best Class of 2015/16! \"
Term 2 2017 Updates.pdf -
waggerbear:
I agree! The students here are really hardworking. I only know 2 Nanyang JC students (super small sample : ) ) But they are diligent and exam savvy. More importantly, they are v proud and happy to be in NYJC.
NYJC is a good JCCrester:
I had to show NYJC result as anti NYJC had always commented that NYJC COP drops due to non academic factors ( yes can be true ). But NYJC academic results is also a factor- its 2015 GCE A level has shown. Now, its 2016 GCE A level results has proven.
They can choose what they want to belief, is alright.
The info below is meant to share with parents and students who are Keen in NYJC.
Brief update on NYJC 2016 'A' Level results.
Extract from its Term 2 Newsletter:
\"We are extremely proud of our Class of 2015/16
who have done very well in the 2016 ‘A’ level ex- amination. Close to 40% of the cohort achieved
3H2 distinction with at a pass in GP and in terms
of value addedness, our college is one of the high- est among the JCs/Centralised Institute. Thank you
and all the best Class of 2015/16! \"
Term 2 2017 Updates.pdf
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