Networking Group - JCs General
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can the mods merge the relevant posts ?
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jetsetter:
From what I know, retention rate is approx 10% on average.
Do those merged JCs have high JC1 retention rates? If yes, isn't it better for those kids with 15-20 points to join MI or poly to get a diploma which is higher than A level cert?Sieg:
this is one good interpretation.
My initial thought was EJC, being an IP-JC housing legit brighter students, is one that our 'garmen' would love to promote while those poorer-performing jcs are to be eliminated. In short, it is promoting elitism that will result in further kiasuism among anxious parents here. Not afraid birth rate will be afffected? Things will work well here only if one is blessed with academically smart kid(s).
Pupils won't know if they will succeed in JC unless they try. I believe most will take the 2 year JC route instead of the 3 year MI if eligible. At most they will retain for a year in JC which will make up to 3 years too.
Poly courses are more 'hands-on' and involve many graded projects. Not everyone is suitable, I guess. -
stetan:
None of the 5 polys is being merged. I guess they are channeling the lower ability students to polys.
I think it's the other way round - based on what I see/hear among many of the averagely-performing students I know, quite a large proportion prefer to choose poly rather than JC, which would seem to indicate that JCs are falling in popularity. There are students who know that the poly style of more hands-on education is not for them, and those who prefer the depth of A levels/IB and are sure they will go on to university, but I think quite a lot are attracted to polys. Polys give the option of a clearly work-ready diploma plus the possibility of continuing to university; A levels, if the student doesn't go on to university, aren't so useful in landing a job. -
Hey Jetsetter, please delete my username from that particular post of yours as it wasn’t me who wrote this:
"Because someone, somewhere screws up.
If you cannot convince them, confuse them - and the best way of confusing people is to lump together a few comprehensible, but totally meaning phrases."
It was Floppy! -
zbear:
I share your sentiment. Creating more stress and maybe more IMH cases in our society.Just thinking aloud - it's an irony that MOE build a new JC (Euonia) to cater to the demand for more IP JCs n shrinking the no of lower JCs (non IP). isn't this creating more stress amongst the Primary kids (PSLE) and parents who don't want to go to Poly but JC and for those who are determined to try n not give up just becos you are lesser capable than the high ability ones?
Is this another way of creating elitism when MOE die die says All Schools Are Good??? Is this motto still good????
Morever, not all who excel in O levels or in IP will excel in A levels and vice-versa. -
Sieg:
But they have said that existing JCs, including the IP ones, will increase their intake, so the number of students in JCs shouldn't reduce?
I share your sentiment. Creating more stress and maybe more IMH cases in our society.zbear:
Just thinking aloud - it's an irony that MOE build a new JC (Euonia) to cater to the demand for more IP JCs n shrinking the no of lower JCs (non IP). isn't this creating more stress amongst the Primary kids (PSLE) and parents who don't want to go to Poly but JC and for those who are determined to try n not give up just becos you are lesser capable than the high ability ones?
Is this another way of creating elitism when MOE die die says All Schools Are Good??? Is this motto still good???? -
Sieg:
More options = IP track vz O level track after PSLE\"As to why new JCs such as Eunoia were still being opened if enrolment was dwindling, MOE said that Eunoia JC was opened not to increase capacity but to give students more options, and for a more varied educational landscape\".
This is vague. Can someone please elaborate on the \"give more options and varied educational landscape\".
Varied educational landscape = 3 additional IP schools leading to IPJC? :scratchhead:
I'm surprised no one asked why the 3 feeder schools weren't pegged to an existing govt JC. Answer is: No way!
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Sieg:
doneHey Jetsetter, please delete my username from that particular post of yours as it wasn't me who wrote this:
\"Because someone, somewhere screws up.
If you cannot convince them, confuse them - and the best way of confusing people is to lump together a few comprehensible, but totally meaning phrases.\"
It was Floppy! -
slmkhoo:
But they have said that existing JCs will increase their intake, so the number of students in JCs shouldn't reduce?[/quote]I agree that on the whole, everyone who is eligible and wish to go JC will be granted a place 'at the moment'. However, the way MOE handled those lower tier JCs while creating prestigious one such as EJC shows its favourism towards elitism.
I share your sentiment. Creating more stress and maybe more IMH cases in our society.Sieg:
[quote=\"zbear\"]Just thinking aloud - it's an irony that MOE build a new JC (Euonia) to cater to the demand for more IP JCs n shrinking the no of lower JCs (non IP). isn't this creating more stress amongst the Primary kids (PSLE) and parents who don't want to go to Poly but JC and for those who are determined to try n not give up just becos you are lesser capable than the high ability ones?
Is this another way of creating elitism when MOE die die says All Schools Are Good??? Is this motto still good????
To further explain, all parents want the best for their kids and some (if not most) will stretch their young kids to the limit so as survive this rat race. -
Sieg:
This is the COP for JC last year:
I agree that on the whole, everyone who is eligible and wish to go JC will be granted a place 'at the moment'. However, the way MOE handled those lower tier JCs while creating prestigious one such as EJC shows its favourism towards elitism.
To further explain, all parents want the best for their kids and some (if not most) will stretch their young kids to the limit so as survive this rat race.
http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/default/files/attachments/2016/01/29/st_20160129_amcutoff29_2027059.pdf
Effectively, they have removed all the JCs with COP higher than 10 (the bottom rung of 7 JCs). Sadly, the unintended (?) message is if you score higher than 10 points for L1R5, don't bother with the JC route as you probably can't get in, or you probably can't make it (to U) even if you do.
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