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    Tutor MathsGuru: Ask me for your burning Maths questions!

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    • CoffeeCatC Offline
      CoffeeCat
      last edited by

      tisha:
      Thank you very much coffeecat for the non algebric solution.

      But I'm not so clear on this part
      For every group of interchange of 3 adults for 3 children, we are 5 plates nearer the true total of 85. therefore, the number of children is 3*(160-85)*5 =45
      I suppose it is a typo and should be 3*(160-85)/5, but I still don't understand it. Sorry to bother you so much.
      Oh yea opps what a typo. Sorry for the late reply. First we assume that there 80 adults and calculate the total. Then do the same for 77 adults+ 3 children , and 74 adults + 6 children. You will notice the pattern. The total will get smaller and nearer the required total.
      160-85 is the no. of dishes which must be lost during our interchanges.
      And since we lost 5 dishes for every 1 interchange, we can find the number of interchanges by (160-85)/5. Then remember for every interchange 3 children are added to the group. So the number of children will be 3*(160-85)/5.

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      • V Offline
        Vanilla Cake
        last edited by

        YLH88:
        Hi VC's mum,


        No worries, there is no need to apologies, really. In fact, I'm very very grateful for all the help the she, mathsguru and all other parents have given in this forum. Greatly appreciated!

        Sorry, i'm still abit blur in this question. Is it possible to multiple by 5 instead of 10 ? ie 5 x 3/5 = 3 ?

        Thank you.
        Hi YLH88,
        I am VC. There is no difference if you prefer to use 5 instead of 10. 😄
        Pls see my revised workings as per your request:

        Area of square : Area of rectangle+Area of circle
        1 : 2
        5 : 10

        Shaded area of square = 60% = 3/5 = 3/5x5units = 3 units
        1/3R+1/5C = 3 units
        (R=Rectangle and C = Circle)
        Multiply by 3
        R+3/5C = 9 units - (1)

        R+C = 10 units - (2)

        (2)-(1)
        2/5C = 1 unit
        C = 5/2x1 = 2.5 units
        R=10units-2.5units = 7.5 units

        C : S : R
        2.5 : 5 : 7.5
        5 : 10 : 15
        1 : 2 : 3

        Ratio of the area of the circle to the square to the rectangle = 1:2:3

        Hope this helps you to understand and pls feel free to tell me which part that still makes you blur.Thanks.

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        • CoffeeCatC Offline
          CoffeeCat
          last edited by

          Vanilla Cake:
          CoffeeCat:

          [quote=\"Herbie\"]Thanks VC and Dharma Can help with the qn below?


          There were some chairs in a school hall. 1/2 of the chairs were placed in short rows while 2/5 of the chairs were placed in long rows. The rest of th chairs were stacked at the back of the hall.

          There were 15 short rows and long rows. If each short row contained 7 chairs less tha each kong rows, how many chairs were there in the wall altogether?

          Tx

          Is there an answer key for this?
          At first based on this \"There were 15 short rows and long rows.\", I take it that there are a total of 15 rows altogether.
          Unless I am mistaken, this interpretation though interesting, only secondary mo technique can yield the answer of 630. Otherwise guess-and-check will be much easier. Unless this is what the school intended to test upon.
          So perhaps it would make sense if it was 15 short and 15 long rows.

          Hi CoffeeCat
          Refer to Herbie's post dated 05 May 2010 08:10, this question was wrongly typed but it is still possible to solve using basic algebra at P6 level to solve the wrongly typed question by Herbie. Correct me if I am wrong and pls check the logic flow of my workings. 😉

          There were some chairs in a school hall. 1/2 of the chairs were placed in short rows while 2/5 of the chairs were placed in long rows. The rest of th chairs were stacked at the back of the hall.
          There were 15 short rows and long rows. If each short row contained 7 chairs less tha each kong rows, how many chairs were there in the wall altogether?


          Look for the unknown which is the total number of chairs in the hall and assume that it is C.

          Number of Chairs
          Short rows: 1/2 = 50% -> 0.5C
          Long rows: 2/5 = 40% -> 0.4C

          Assume the number of short rows to be S and the number of long rows to be 15-S

          Difference between the chairs in the short rows and long rows = 0.5C-0.4C = 0.1C
          Difference between number of chairs in a short row and a long row = 7

          7S = 0.1C
          35S = 0.5C
          28S = 0.4C

          Form an equation based on info given by the question:
          0.5C/S + 7 = 0.4C/(15-S)
          (0.5C+7S)/S = 0.4C/(15-S)
          (35S+7S)/S = 28S(15-S)
          42S/S = 28S/(15-S)
          28S² = 42S(15-S)
          28S² = 630S-42S²
          70S² = 630S
          70S = 630
          S = 9

          Sub S = 9 into 0.5C/S + 7 = 0.4C/(15-S)

          0.5C/9 + 7 = 0.4C(15-9)
          0.5C/9 + 7 = 0.4C/6
          C + 126 = 1.2C
          0.2C = 126
          C = 630

          There were 630 chairs in the hall altogether.

          Submitted by VC's mum.[/quote]Interestingly u got the answer. But I don't understand how you can get this.
          Difference between the chairs in the short rows and long rows = 0.5C-0.4C = 0.1C
          Difference between number of chairs in a short row and a long row = 7

          7S = 0.1C
          35S = 0.5C
          28S = 0.4C

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          • F Offline
            firebird
            last edited by

            Dear maths guru


            Please help me with the following question:

            1) The distance between village A and Village B is 360km. John drove from Village A to Village B and completed the journey in 4 hours. Peter drove from Village B to Village A and completed the journey in 6 hours. If both of them started the journey at 9.30am, at what time would they pass each other?

            2) Chive, Parsley and Thyme bought a present for their mother. Chive paid 1/3 of the total amount paid by Parsely and Thyme. Parsley paid 1/3 of the total amount paid by Chive and Thyme. If Thyme paid $60 more than Parsely, how much did the present cost?


            3) The ratio of the number of $5 notes to the number of $10 notes that Libby had was 5:3. She bought a dress for $65 and paid it with 7 pieces of $5 notes and some $10 notes. The ratio of the number of $5 notes to the number of $10 notes Libby had left was 3:2.
            How much did Libby have at first?

            Thank you
            firebird

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            • V Offline
              Vanilla Cake
              last edited by

              CoffeeCat:
              Vanilla Cake:

              [quote=\"CoffeeCat\"]
              Is there an answer key for this?
              At first based on this \"There were 15 short rows and long rows.\", I take it that there are a total of 15 rows altogether.
              Unless I am mistaken, this interpretation though interesting, only secondary mo technique can yield the answer of 630. Otherwise guess-and-check will be much easier. Unless this is what the school intended to test upon.
              So perhaps it would make sense if it was 15 short and 15 long rows.

              Hi CoffeeCat
              Refer to Herbie's post dated 05 May 2010 08:10, this question was wrongly typed but it is still possible to solve using basic algebra at P6 level to solve the wrongly typed question by Herbie. Correct me if I am wrong and pls check the logic flow of my workings. 😉

              There were some chairs in a school hall. 1/2 of the chairs were placed in short rows while 2/5 of the chairs were placed in long rows. The rest of th chairs were stacked at the back of the hall.
              There were 15 short rows and long rows. If each short row contained 7 chairs less tha each kong rows, how many chairs were there in the wall altogether?


              Look for the unknown which is the total number of chairs in the hall and assume that it is C.

              Number of Chairs
              Short rows: 1/2 = 50% -> 0.5C
              Long rows: 2/5 = 40% -> 0.4C

              Assume the number of short rows to be S and the number of long rows to be 15-S

              Difference between the chairs in the short rows and long rows = 0.5C-0.4C = 0.1C
              Difference between number of chairs in a short row and a long row = 7

              7S = 0.1C
              35S = 0.5C
              28S = 0.4C

              Form an equation based on info given by the question:
              0.5C/S + 7 = 0.4C/(15-S)
              (0.5C+7S)/S = 0.4C/(15-S)
              (35S+7S)/S = 28S(15-S)
              42S/S = 28S/(15-S)
              28S² = 42S(15-S)
              28S² = 630S-42S²
              70S² = 630S
              70S = 630
              S = 9

              Sub S = 9 into 0.5C/S + 7 = 0.4C/(15-S)

              0.5C/9 + 7 = 0.4C(15-9)
              0.5C/9 + 7 = 0.4C/6
              C + 126 = 1.2C
              0.2C = 126
              C = 630

              There were 630 chairs in the hall altogether.

              Submitted by VC's mum.

              Interestingly u got the answer. But I don't understand how you can get this.
              Difference between the chairs in the short rows and long rows = 0.5C-0.4C = 0.1C
              Difference between number of chairs in a short row and a long row = 7

              7S = 0.1C
              35S = 0.5C
              28S = 0.4C
              [/quote]Hi CoffeeCat,
              All the equations are formed based on info from the question itself. Since Herbie advised that the question was wrongly typed, let's not waste time to pursue this question further.
              Thanks for your understanding.

              Submitted by VC's mum

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              • V Offline
                Vanilla Cake
                last edited by

                Dear Firebird,

                I am VC's mum and pls allow me to post the solutions to your questions while waiting for Mathsguru's solutions.
                Thanks.

                firebird:
                1) The distance between village A and Village B is 360km. John drove from Village A to Village B and completed the journey in 4 hours. Peter drove from Village B to Village A and completed the journey in 6 hours. If both of them started the journey at 9.30am, at what time would they pass each other?
                Assume that both John and Peter had travelled on constant speed.
                John's speed = 360/4 = 90 km/h
                Peter's speed = 360/6 = 60 km/h
                Time lapsed for them to meet each other = 360/(90+60) = 2.4 h = 2 h 24 min
                Add 2 h 24 min to 9.30 am = 11.54 am
                At 11.54 am, they would pass each other.
                firebird:
                2) Chive, Parsley and Thyme bought a present for their mother. Chive paid 1/3 of the total amount paid by Parsely and Thyme. Parsley paid 1/3 of the total amount paid by Chive and Thyme. If Thyme paid $60 more than Parsely, how much did the present cost?
                C : P+T
                1 : 3

                P : C+T
                1 : 3

                C=1u
                P=1u
                T=2u

                Thyme paid $60 more than Parsely: T-P = (2-1)u = 1u
                1u = $60
                4u = $240

                Cost of the present was $240
                firebird:
                3) The ratio of the number of $5 notes to the number of $10 notes that Libby had was 5:3. She bought a dress for $65 and paid it with 7 pieces of $5 notes and some $10 notes. The ratio of the number of $5 notes to the number of $10 notes Libby had left was 3:2.
                How much did Libby have at first?
                $5 : $10
                5u : 3u
                -7 : -3
                3p : 2p

                $5 : $10
                10u : 9u
                -14 : -9
                6p : 6p

                10u-14 = 9u-9
                u = 5

                Numbers
                $5: 5u = 5x 5 = 25
                $10: 3u = 3x5 = 15

                Value
                $5: 25x$5 = $125
                $10: 15x$10 = $150

                $(125+150) = $275
                At first, Libby had $275

                Submitted by VC's mum

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                • D Offline
                  Dharma
                  last edited by

                  firebird:
                  Dear maths guru


                  Please help me with the following question:

                  1) The distance between village A and Village B is 360km. John drove from Village A to Village B and completed the journey in 4 hours. Peter drove from Village B to Village A and completed the journey in 6 hours. If both of them started the journey at 9.30am, at what time would they pass each other?

                  2) Chive, Parsley and Thyme bought a present for their mother. Chive paid 1/3 of the total amount paid by Parsely and Thyme. Parsley paid 1/3 of the total amount paid by Chive and Thyme. If Thyme paid $60 more than Parsely, how much did the present cost?


                  3) The ratio of the number of $5 notes to the number of $10 notes that Libby had was 5:3. She bought a dress for $65 and paid it with 7 pieces of $5 notes and some $10 notes. The ratio of the number of $5 notes to the number of $10 notes Libby had left was 3:2.
                  How much did Libby have at first?

                  Thank you
                  firebird
                  Q1)
                  John ‘s speed = 360km/4hrs = 90 km/h
                  Peter’s speed = 360km/6hrs = 60 km/h

                  Time to meet (hrs) = 360km/ (90 + 60)km/h = 2.4 hrs
                  Meeting time is 2.4 hrs after 9.30am = 11.54 am


                  Q2)

                  Clive paid : ¼ of cost
                  Parsley paid : ¼ of cost

                  So, Thyme paid : 1 – ¼ - ¼ = ½ the cost

                  (½ - ¼ = ¼ ) of cost = $60
                  Cost of present = $ 60 x 4 = $240

                  Q3)

                  $65 = (7 x $5) + (N x $10)
                  Number of $10 notes, N used to buy dress = ($65 - $35) / $10 = 3

                  $5 notes : 5u – 7 = 3p
                  $10 notes : 3u – 3 = 2p

                  10u – 14 = 9u – 9
                  1u = 5

                  Amt Libby had at first = ($5 x 5 x 5) + ($10 x 3 x 5) = $125 + $150 = $275

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                    Dharma
                    last edited by

                    YLH88:
                    Hi Mathsguru,


                    Need your help with the following questions :

                    1) In the figure below, which is not drawn to scale, 1/5 of the circle is shaded. The ratio of the area of the square to the sum of area of the rectangle and the circle is 1 : 2. 60% of the square is shaded. 1/3 of the rectangle is shaded. What is the ratio of the area of the circle to the square to the rectangle ?
                    (ans : 5 : 10 : 15)

                    http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsM_an9


                    Thank you very much!
                    Square : Circle + Rectangle = 1 : 2 (Area ratio)

                    Total area
                    Circle : 5u
                    Rectangle : 3p

                    60% of area of Square = 1u + 1p
                    100% of area of Square = 5u/3 + 5p/3

                    5u + 3p = 2(5u/3 + 5p/3)
                    15u + 9p = 10u + 10p
                    1p = 5u

                    Circle : 5u
                    Rectangle : 3p (3 x 5u = 15u)
                    Square : (5u + 15u)/2 = 10u

                    Area of circle : Area of square : Area of rectangle = 5 : 10 : 15 = 1 : 2 : 3

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                    • F Offline
                      firebird
                      last edited by

                      Dear VC’s mum and Dharma


                      Many thanks for the solutions.

                      With best regards
                      Firebird

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                      • Y Offline
                        YLH88
                        last edited by

                        Hi VC, Dharma,


                        Thank you so much for the solution !! Am trying to 'disgest' and understand the method

                        May need to trouble you again if still blur .. :?

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