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    8 Junior Colleges are Merging? Rumors or Reality?

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Tertiary Education - A-Levels, Diplomas, Degrees
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    • lee_ylL Offline
      lee_yl
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      yuki2010:
      hquek:

      http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1193950/too-many-graduates-devalue-university-taiwan-warns


      good article. Thanks for sharing.

      To look at Taiwan and conclude that an over abundance of graduates may lead to under-employment and associated social issues may be over-simplistic.

      Taiwan's higher education landscape is pretty unique; for a total population of 23 mil (4 times that of Singapore), it has some 163 universities (more than 20 times that of Singapore) and 70% of each cohort can expect to be a graduate. Interestingly, among the undergraduates, more than 75% are studying in private universities and apparently, this group suffered the most in terms of higher unemployment.

      The pertinent lesson is that given Asians' yearning for learning, should there be insufficient places in public universities, that provide the required intellectual rigour, people will flock to private institutions where quality is less assured and therein lies the risk.

      Thus, by drawing the wrong lesson from Taiwan's experience, and consciously capping at 30-40% the cohort participation rate in local public universities, would we end up creating a pool of graduates whose training and skills are mismatched to the industry's needs?

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        ngl2010
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        lee_yl:
        yuki2010:

        [quote=\"hquek\"]http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1193950/too-many-graduates-devalue-university-taiwan-warns


        good article. Thanks for sharing.

        To look at Taiwan and conclude that an over abundance of graduates may lead to under-employment and associated social issues may be over-simplistic.

        Taiwan's higher education landscape is pretty unique; for a total population of 23 mil (4 times that of Singapore), it has some 163 universities (more than 20 times that of Singapore) and 70% of each cohort can expect to be a graduate. Interestingly, among the undergraduates, more than 75% are studying in private universities and apparently, this group suffered the most in terms of higher unemployment.

        The pertinent lesson is that given Asians' yearning for learning, should there be insufficient places in public universities, that provide the required intellectual rigour, people will flock to private institutions where quality is less assured and therein lies the risk.

        Thus, by drawing the wrong lesson from Taiwan's experience, and consciously capping at 30-40% the cohort participation rate in local public universities, would we end up creating a pool of graduates whose training and skills are mismatched to the industry's needs?[/quote]I doubt if more than 75% are studying in public universities then the unemployment rate in Taiwan will be lower. Another case of \"all universities are good universities but some are better than others\" may happen.

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          mum_sugoku
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          floppy:
          mum_sugoku:


          Agree.

          In that case, for courses which are too niche to be viable here, perhaps govt could offer tuition grants to students who wish to pursue such courses elsewhere? (Not sure if such scheme is already in place though.)

          Grants?
          Got.
          They are just better known to us as scholarship šŸ˜‰

          Overseas scholarships are for 'creme de la creme' leh.. Different class lah..

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            last edited by

            A well written letter published in yesterday's ST Forum:


            http://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/limiting-opportunities-in-higher-education-not-the-way-to-go
            [quote]......Encouraging more Singaporeans to pursue a university education is ultimately the key to ensuring that we can have a foot in the door in an increasingly knowledge- and innovation-based economy......[/quote]

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              pirate
              last edited by

              floppy:

              Some of the expertise could be niche and it's not viable to have a full-time course every year. E.g. there is no veterinary college in school.
              Niche? Is that another word for 'deep skills'? :siam:

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              • floppyF Offline
                floppy
                last edited by

                mum_sugoku:
                A well written letter published in yesterday's ST Forum:


                http://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/limiting-opportunities-in-higher-education-not-the-way-to-go
                [quote]......Encouraging more Singaporeans to pursue a university education is ultimately the key to ensuring that we can have a foot in the door in an increasingly knowledge- and innovation-based economy......
                [/quote]https://s12.postimg.org/odswqgtm5/IMG_3407.jpg\">

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                  mum_sugoku
                  last edited by

                  floppy:
                  mum_sugoku:

                  A well written letter published in yesterday's ST Forum:


                  http://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/limiting-opportunities-in-higher-education-not-the-way-to-go
                  [quote]......Encouraging more Singaporeans to pursue a university education is ultimately the key to ensuring that we can have a foot in the door in an increasingly knowledge- and innovation-based economy......

                  https://s12.postimg.org/odswqgtm5/IMG_3407.jpg\">[/quote]Of cos (all) our universities must maintain acceptable standard lah.. and not just some wild chicken university..

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                    floppy
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                    mum_sugoku:


                    Of cos (all) our universities must maintain acceptable standard lah.. and not just some wild chicken university..
                    Isn't this an oxymoron?

                    Universities must maintain standard. Hence they reject those who, in their opinion, are not up to their required standard. This is reflected in their A Level or Poly GPA COP.

                    In Singapore, only 30%-40% per cohort are deemed to be of acceptable standard to be accepted. Yet, we are asking for more to be admitted and to allow more to earn a degree, despite them being deemed not up to our universities' standard?

                    :?

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                      mum_sugoku
                      last edited by

                      floppy:
                      mum_sugoku:



                      Of cos (all) our universities must maintain acceptable standard lah.. and not just some wild chicken university..

                      Isn't this an oxymoron?

                      Universities must maintain standard. Hence they reject those who, in their opinion, are not up to their required standard. This is reflected in their A Level or Poly GPA COP.

                      In Singapore, only 30%-40% per cohort are deemed to be of acceptable standard to be accepted. Yet, we are asking for more to be admitted and to allow more to earn a degree, despite them being deemed not up to our universities' standard?

                      :?

                      More likely, it's just not up to our MOE's standard..

                      Ok The following is not verified: Quite recently, I was told that our GCE 'A' level papers are set at higher standard (in terms of difficulty level) than 'A' level papers taken by students elsewhere. While unsure how true it is, I find it rather believable considering that our students have been coming in top at Pisa test ( http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/singapore-students-top-in-maths-science-and-reading-in-international ).

                      And don't you too hear of cases where students who failed to gain admission to local uni and had to study abroad, subsequently coming back with honours degrees? And the universities they went to are not 'wild chicken' type, since I doubt they'll be so dumb to pick an overseas uni that is not recognized by our govt.

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                        pirate
                        last edited by

                        floppy:
                        mum_sugoku:



                        Of cos (all) our universities must maintain acceptable standard lah.. and not just some wild chicken university..

                        Isn't this an oxymoron?

                        Universities must maintain standard. Hence they reject those who, in their opinion, are not up to their required standard. This is reflected in their A Level or Poly GPA COP.

                        In Singapore, only 30%-40% per cohort are deemed to be of acceptable standard to be accepted. Yet, we are asking for more to be admitted and to allow more to earn a degree, despite them being deemed not up to our universities' standard?

                        :?

                        No leh. 30%-40% is relative compared to others in the same cohort. It is like PSLE T-score and not necessarily a reflection of whether the candidates are up to standard.

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