Presidential Elections 2017

[Zeit]

Now the next question is will this reserved EP help solve our problems as mentioned during the Parliamentary debates?


1. Rise of China

2. Islamophobia / Racial Harmony / Warmer ties with our neighbours

3. Terrorism

My answers:
1. Nothing can stop China’s rise n expanism and pouring of billions of investments into the region. Doesn’t mean you put X race president up there geopolitics would change. China will not stop their expansion, be kinder to you because you’re now headed by a non-Chinese or pressurise you less to agree with their stance. They already have our neighbours bought. Nothing can change our geographical location.

2. The EP can only do this much. The hardwork and groundwork, rubbing of shoulders with our neighbours and the Arabs, teh drinking sessions are still going to be carried out by the male Muslim ministers, not the char boh figurehead.

3. Please look at Mayor of London Sadiq Khan. Has anything changed or improved? Please also look at the fate of Qatar. Does brotherhood mean anything when $ is concerned?


JHMO…

[mum_sugoku]

pirate:

floppy:

[quote=\"mum_sugoku\"]An interesting illustration posted in the car forum (post #1502):


http://www.mycarforum.com/topic/2700120-next-sg-presidential-election-201617/page-76

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So can HY also run as an Indian candidate in an EP election reserved for Indians? If she becomes EP, does her term also count towards having an Indian EP? [/quote]http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/elected-presidency-review-bill-to-amend-singapore-s-constitution-7742972[quote]In its White Paper released last month, the Government had broadly accepted the recommendations made by a nine-member Constitutional Commission. The commission had proposed significant changes to the Elected Presidency, which include changes to the eligibility criteria and having a mechanism to ensure multi-racial representation.

The Bill provides more details on some of the proposed changes.

In the area of ensuring representation of all races, a Presidential Election will be reserved for a particular racial group if that race has not been represented in the Presidency for five consecutive terms. Reservation can apply to the Chinese, Malay and Indian and other minority communities in Singapore.

The Bill also states that the Government can set up committees to decide whether a person belongs to a particular race or community.[/quote]Since govt can now set up committees to decide on a candidate's race/community group, if this committee decides that she shall be an Indian, I suppose she should be able to run as an Indian candidate (for EP election reserved for Indian) as well? :evil:

But then since this round is reserved for Malay only, for her to qualify, committee must decide that she is a Malay, not an Indian, so I think her term for this round cannot count towards having an Indian EP.

[janet88]

limlim:

lee_yl:

My main impression of our current president is that he looks like \"KFC 老人\", and other than that, I can't recall what are his significant contributions for the past few years.

How about the famous handshake with the fishmonger during walkabout? :evil:

Somehow the present KFC P doesn't seem to have any positive vibes about him.

[iceywind88]

janet88:

limlim:

[quote=\"lee_yl\"]
My main impression of our current president is that he looks like \"KFC 老人\", and other than that, I can't recall what are his significant contributions for the past few years.

How about the famous handshake with the fishmonger during walkabout? :evil:

Somehow the present KFC P doesn't seem to have any positive vibes about him.[/quote]what did KFC do during his reign? sigh, I can't think of any. even during the Lee family saga, he was MIA.

[Zeit]

mum_sugoku:

Since govt can now set up committees to decide on a candidate's race/community group, if this committee decides that she shall be an Indian, I suppose she should be able to run as an Indian candidate (for EP election reserved for Indian) as well? :evil:


But then since this round is reserved for Malay only, for her to qualify, committee must decide that she is a Malay, not an Indian, so I think her term for this round cannot count towards having an Indian EP.

Mdm Halimah already clarified 2 weeks ago she was certified 4 times as a Malay minority candidate since GE2001, so doubt she can revert to her dad's race for future elections reserved for Indians!

I suppose that's why the other 2 hopefuls are quite confident they can be certified as Malays too.

I suspect the govt wants a 'symbol' so she's the preferred candidate. She can join the ranks of other female Muslim politicians if she wins the PE. They are under-represented.

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[Zeit]

iceywind88:

what did KFC do during his reign? sigh, I can't think of any. even during the Lee family saga, he was MIA.

He didn't run to check on the Govt. He knew exactly what the role of the Prez entails unlike the other 3 Tans who didn't understand what they were running for.

There was no recession or major stimulus packages during his 'reign', so he wasn't asked to unlock any reserves and so you hardly hear from him! hhahaa...

I believe he was asked by the late LKY to run in 2011 (even George Yeo had to step aside). Dr TT isn't the sort who needs $ or covets fame or power. Dr TT quit politics twice to return to the private sector. He didn't bother with the salary cut in 2012 either. He ran because of LKY or LHL - methinks.

The pres must be a highly trusted person. In the light of the Huang Jing case, I hope the committee does the proper background & security checks on candidates and their family, esp since this is a reserved election. There're bound to be candidates from the private sectors, MNCs, NGOs, etc who might never have been subjected to Govt's security clearance before. In future, we might also see candidates who are new immigrants heading Indian or Chinese MNCs listed here.

[pirate]

Zeit:

Mdm Halimah already clarified 2 weeks ago she was certified 4 times as a Malay minority candidate since GE2001, so doubt she can revert to her dad's race for future elections reserved for Indians!

Is there any provision that says that a person cannot be a member of more than one racial community? :scratchhead:

[mum_sugoku]

Zeit:

iceywind88:

what did KFC do during his reign? sigh, I can't think of any. even during the Lee family saga, he was MIA.

He didn't run to check on the Govt. He knew exactly what the role of the Prez entails unlike the other 3 Tans who didn't understand what they were running for.

There was no recession or major stimulus packages during his 'reign', so he wasn't asked to unlock any reserves and so you hardly hear from him! hhahaa...

I believe he was asked by the late LKY to run in 2011 (even George Yeo had to step aside). Dr TT isn't the sort who needs $ or covets fame or power. Dr TT quit politics twice to return to the private sector. He didn't bother with the salary cut in 2012 either. He ran because of LKY or LHL - methinks.

The pres must be a highly trusted person. In the light of the Huang Jing case, I hope the committee does the proper background & security checks on candidates and their family, esp since this is a reserved election. There're bound to be candidates from the private sectors, MNCs, NGOs, etc who might never have been subjected to Govt's security clearance before. In future, we might also see candidates who are new immigrants heading Indian or Chinese MNCs listed here.

Er.. no, I doubt if any of the other 3 Tans didn't know what the role of the EP entails - particularly TCB, I'm sure he must have understood it very well.

As for TT, ya I agree that he doesn't need the money at all. (I understand he's closely related to the OCBC founder?) And I actually wonder if he regretted running for presidency had he known that he would receive only 1/3 support votes (and would, as an ex-DPM, barely win a mere ex-backbencher to secure the post)..

[Zeit]

pirate:

Zeit:

Mdm Halimah already clarified 2 weeks ago she was certified 4 times as a Malay minority candidate since GE2001, so doubt she can revert to her dad's race for future elections reserved for Indians!

Is there any provision that says that a person cannot be a member of more than one racial community? :scratchhead:

I posted something similar to your question earlier, citing my many biracial, triracial and quadracial friends' complex cases. You can tell I've no answers either, whether they could freely run for PE reserved for their father's or mother's race.

However, for the purpose of PE, I think candidates can only declare one.
[quote] Submission of community declaration
8F.—(1)  A person desiring to be elected as President must submit a community declaration in the prescribed form to the Community Committee.
(2)  A person making a community declaration must make one (and only one) of the following statements:
...
(b) that the person considers himself to be a member of the Malay community, and wishes to apply for a community certificate stating that the person belongs to the Malay community;
...[/quote]It is the Community Committee that will 'accept' or 'reject' the race for this candidate as declared by him or her, to put it really bluntly:
[quote] Consideration of community declaration in reserved elections
8G.—(1)  This section applies to a reserved election.
(2)  The Community Committee must accept a community declaration submitted to the Committee and notify the declarant in writing of the acceptance, subject to the following provisions:
(a) subject to paragraph (b), the Community Committee may reject a community declaration if it is not made according to this Act [/quote]Not sure if the Community Committee looks at the race stated on their NRIC. Also not sure if the 3 hopefuls have already changed their NRIC race to 'Malay'. I recall Farid Khan said his shows 'Pakistani'. Nonetheless, all are able to change their race after 1 Jan 2010:
[quote] REQUEST FOR CHANGE TO DOUBLE-BARRELLED RACE

Eligibility

With effect from 1 January 2011, Singapore citizens born to parents of different races may request for a change from singular to a double-barrelled race if they have not changed their race previously. Singapore citizens who changed their race once before 21 years of age, and are 21 years of age or above, will also be eligible. [/quote]I trust that the Committee will not anyhow approve the switching of races of candidates from election to election. That's 'RACEmandering'!!! But the GRCs can switch their preferred one and only minority rep from election to election. I think in one GE (2007?), Mdm Halimah wasn't the minority rep but Tharman was for Jurong GRC (citation needed).

[Zeit]

mum_sugoku:

Zeit:

[quote=\"iceywind88\"]what did KFC do during his reign? sigh, I can't think of any. even during the Lee family saga, he was MIA.

He didn't run to check on the Govt. He knew exactly what the role of the Prez entails unlike the other 3 Tans who didn't understand what they were running for.

There was no recession or major stimulus packages during his 'reign', so he wasn't asked to unlock any reserves and so you hardly hear from him! hhahaa...

I believe he was asked by the late LKY to run in 2011 (even George Yeo had to step aside). Dr TT isn't the sort who needs $ or covets fame or power. Dr TT quit politics twice to return to the private sector. He didn't bother with the salary cut in 2012 either. He ran because of LKY or LHL - methinks.

The pres must be a highly trusted person. In the light of the Huang Jing case, I hope the committee does the proper background & security checks on candidates and their family, esp since this is a reserved election. There're bound to be candidates from the private sectors, MNCs, NGOs, etc who might never have been subjected to Govt's security clearance before. In future, we might also see candidates who are new immigrants heading Indian or Chinese MNCs listed here.

Er.. no, I doubt if any of the other 3 Tans didn't know what the role of the EP entails - particularly TCB, I'm sure he must have understood it very well.

As for TT, ya I agree that he doesn't need the money at all. (I understand he's closely related to the OCBC founder?) And I actually wonder if he regretted running for presidency had he known that he would receive only 1/3 support votes (and would, as an ex-DPM, barely win a mere ex-backbencher to secure the post)..[/quote]There were some clarifications wrt the roles by the govt in Aug 2011. Maybe meant for TKL n TJS only who were promising stuffs not within the ambit. Not sure about TCB.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/commentary-the-roles-and-reality-of-singapore-s-elected-presiden-7842828

TT is nephew of Tan Chin Tuan.
http://tanfoundation.com.sg/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/BT-18.11.05-Tony-Tan-pays-tribute-to-banker-Tan-Chin-Tuan.pdf

WKW: Cousin of LKY's mother according to this blog.
http://veritas-lux.blogspot.sg/2011/07/lee-kuan-yew-and-late-president-wee-kim.html

'Barely' because it was post GE2011 when anti PAP emotions were raw. But SG voters are kiasu so 30% still played safe by voting for another ex PAP TCB. To me, 还不是不敢投给外人?